Why the team is looking forward to Spring Practice starting

BurntOrangeLH said:
Yes, this really explains his horrible year last year. No separation and never where he was meant to be.

Any citations from all those "NFL scouts?"
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Seriously, do you just like to argue? I'm guessing you are a sock for someone else.

As I said, there are a number of ways one can "get open". Speed, Size, and yes, rout running. Devin is a 10.2 100 meter sprinter, that has a lot to do with him being open and especially his YACs. Devin is about to go to a league where everyone is fast, if he can't run effective routs he will be out of the league in 3 years.

I'll let you look up all the citations, should be pretty easy to find, just googline 2020 NFL draft and look up Devin's profile.
 
I did the google and stopped after the first hit:

NFL Draft & Combine Profile - Devin Duvernay | NFL.com

Analysis: Straight-line speedster with a fireplug build who needs to close the ability gap between when the ball is in his hands and when it's not. Duvernay is a challenging study because he carries long speed but he's not a ball winner. He's a slot receiver with tight hips and below-average routes but has outstanding hands and uses power to add yards after catch. The pieces don't quite fit together, but great hands, YAC and speed are traits teams might look to mold. He's not a classic developmental prospect but could become one if a team has a plan for him and can improve his routes.
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I can't really argue with that, I know next to nothing (see my disclaimer below)
Duv was a man amongst boys in college and may be raw in some respects. But the NFL Scouts get it wrong. a lot. I stand by my opinion that some team will make a wise decision on him and be rewarded. While some other dumbass teams (Jerry I am looking at you) will overlook him on their draft board and draft some superdouche flame-out head-case instead because metrics.
 
Detective Shilala said:
I stand by my opinion that some team will make a wise decision on him and be rewarded.
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We are in agreement. Rout running is a small thing in the big scheme. You can't teach speed and Devin ha plenty of that. He is stiff but again that is a small thing when you are a tough runner. I've said this before, I think Devin might be a better running back on the next level than a Wr. He definitely has the toughness for it. With that said, I think he will have a long successful NFL career.
 
Detective Shilala said:
I did the google and stopped after the first hit:

NFL Draft & Combine Profile - Devin Duvernay | NFL.com

Analysis: Straight-line speedster with a fireplug build who needs to close the ability gap between when the ball is in his hands and when it's not. Duvernay is a challenging study because he carries long speed but he's not a ball winner. He's a slot receiver with tight hips and below-average routes but has outstanding hands and uses power to add yards after catch. The pieces don't quite fit together, but great hands, YAC and speed are traits teams might look to mold. He's not a classic developmental prospect but could become one if a team has a plan for him and can improve his routes.
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I can't really argue with that, I know next to nothing (see my disclaimer below)
Duv was a man amongst boys in college and may be raw in some respects. But the NFL Scouts get it wrong. a lot. I stand by my opinion that some team will make a wise decision on him and be rewarded. While some other dumbass teams (Jerry I am looking at you) will overlook him on their draft board and draft some superdouche flame-out head-case instead because metrics.
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The way I read this is that he's great once the ball gets to him, but he's not so great at getting "available" for a pass to be thrown to him. Sounds like an indictment of the coaching he's received, as others have mentioned before. If it is just coaching, he should be in demand. He sure seems to be "coachable", with the right coach.
 
Austin_Bill said:
<shaking head>

Actually it does. The biggest knock on Duverney by NFL Scouts is that he is a terrible rout runner. A guy can get open with his size, or his speed, but a good rout runner can get open by his ability to be exactly where the QB thinks he will be. A good rout runner makes the QBs job much easier because the QB knows where to put the ball and exactly where that WR is going to be. This is what made Shipley so good, he was always where he was supposed to be.

A poor rout runner might get open but he isn't always in a place where the QB is expecting him to be or where the QB can get him the ball. This is when passes are incomplete or interceptions happen.
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Is “terrible” verbatim? I assume any disagreement with your post is based on this term because one doesn’t put up the numbers DD did last year as a terrible rout runner.

Marquis Goodwin has had a decent run in the league, and DD is IMO much better than him at this stage. I’d love for Dallas to take him. He’ll be a steal
 
Austin_Bill said:
Seriously, do you just like to argue? I'm guessing you are a sock for someone else.

As I said, there are a number of ways one can "get open". Speed, Size, and yes, rout running. Devin is a 10.2 100 meter sprinter, that has a lot to do with him being open and especially his YACs. Devin is about to go to a league where everyone is fast, if he can't run effective routs he will be out of the league in 3 years.

I'll let you look up all the citations, should be pretty easy to find, just googline 2020 NFL draft and look up Devin's profile.
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Lol. You’re second to Sangre “Poop” Naran-nada in starting arguments, not to mention thinking that you’re the be-all, end-all when it comes to discussing football. (Yes, I understand the irony considering my username but I named myself that in jest.)
 
Omniscient.one said:
Is “terrible” verbatim? I assume any disagreement with your post is based on this term because one doesn’t put up the numbers DD did last year as a terrible rout runner.

Marquis Goodwin has had a decent run in the league, and DD is IMO much better than him at this stage. I’d love for Dallas to take him. He’ll be a steal
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Terrible is my term, the term NFL scouts have used is lazy, soft, and lackluster. I assumed "terrible" to be a synonym for those words.


Omniscient.one said:
Lol. You’re second to Sangre “Poop” Naran-nada in starting arguments, not to mention thinking that you’re the be-all, end-all when it comes to discussing football. (Yes, I understand the irony considering my username but I named myself that in jest.)
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I guess I am very opinionated. I played the game until my freshmen year of college. Then I was a coaches aid for 2 years. In that time I learned how to break down film, and basically how to run a practice. I have several friends who are coaches on the high school level and a couple of guys who are successful on the college level. We often talk football and they give great insight. I also worked with one of the best track coaches to ever coach in Texas.
 
Soft route running? Or soft in terms of play style? Because the former makes no sense and neither does the latter. He ran through contact often. I mean, really? Incredibly poor word usage.

As far as lazy, I’ve never heard him described as such anywhere. Everything I’ve seen shows he’s a high character kid. Again, where’s this info coming from and what do you mean?

What does track have to do with football analysis?

And I think our waterboy was called a coach’s aid. People that coached were assistant coaches
 
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Omniscient.one said:
Soft route running? Or soft in terms of play style? Because the former makes no sense and neither does the latter. He ran through contact often. I mean, really? Incredibly poor word usage.

As far as lazy, I’ve never heard him described as such anywhere. Everything I’ve seen shows he’s a high character kid. Again, where’s this info coming from and what do you mean?

What does track have to do with football analysis?

And I think our waterboy was called a coach’s aid. People that coached were assistant coaches
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We prefer to be called hydration engineers :rolleyes1:

No, I used to watch film of teams 2 to 4 weeks out to give notes to the coaches on down and distance tendencies, what a team does 3rd and long what plays they like to run in the red zone etc.

You do realize that most football players in high school and some in college are big time track guys and track is driving force in developing speed techniques.

You asked about what NFL scouts said about Duv's rout running and I answered your question. I'm not sure what a lazy rout runner is myself, I can only assume it means when he is not the #1 option he doesn't put effort in the rout he runs.
 
Austin_Bill said:
track is driving force in developing speed techniques.
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Very true and also the test lab for leg muscle tone improvement.

Austin_Bill said:
You asked about what NFL scouts said about Duv's rout running and I answered your question. I'm not sure what a lazy rout runner is myself, I can only assume it means when he is not the #1 option he doesn't put effort in the rout he runs.
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Your assumption is correct.
 
What’s your specific source?

The only result from a google search of “Devin Duvernay lazy” is Hornfans and the comment section of the 247 UT site, where the context is describing others’ analysis of DD (as in “that’s lazy analysis”).

Not to mention never seeing it or hearing about it or reading it.
 
Someone needs to explain to me how DD compares to Wes Welker and Julian Edelman. I’ll admit that I am no expert but I do have eyes, and I have been watching this guy be a dominate force since he stepped onto the field. The issue was that until the past two years, we couldn’t get the ball to him.

Back to my question, if DD has great hands (check), is very fast (check) and can run over people (check), then the only possible issues would seem to be route running and separation, perhaps one in the same.

To me, he would certainly compare favorably to perhaps the two best slot receivers of the past decade.

What am I missing?
 
Anything I have read about DD has never said anything like soft or lazy or terrible. I have seen raw or below average

I also have eyeballs and watched Enough of DD to know he is neither lazy or soft.

Maybe Austinbill read about his soft hands and got confused.
 
Detective Shilala said:
Anything I have read about DD has never said anything like soft or lazy or terrible. I have seen raw or below average

I also have eyeballs and watched Enough of DD to know he is neither lazy or soft.

Maybe Austinbill read about his soft hands and got confused.
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Everything I read and saw on youtube said nothing but good things about his hands and speed. All derogatory remarks were about his rout running. They also called him stiff and does not have loose hips. As mentioned before, "terrible" was my interpretation of what they were saying about his rout running.
 
Austin_Bill said:
Everything I read and saw on youtube said nothing but good things about his hands and speed. All derogatory remarks were about his rout running. They also called him stiff and does not have loose hips. As mentioned before, "terrible" was my interpretation of what they were saying about his rout running.
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Well, never mind. I didn’t know your source was as solid as YouTube comments. Lol
 
Running sprints at 0600 isn't fun:

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Sounds like DL Jacoby Jones (6'4,275) is out of the doghouse, and he may get a bigger role in the 4-man front. His JUCO film showed a good pass rush. I think he played in 7g last season. We will see.
 
Joe Fan said:
Sounds like DL Jacoby Jones (6'4,275) is out of the doghouse, and he may get a bigger role in the 4-man front. His JUCO film showed a good pass rush. I think he played in 7g last season. We will see.
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While he didn't play all that much last year, IMHO Jacoby Jones showed some flashes of pass rushing skills. He could make a good SDE in the four man front this year. Couple him and the other SDEs (preferably SDEs with some pass rushing capabilities) with a pure "rush end" on the other side (like LB/DE Ossai or Vaughans), and we've got ourselves some potentially fearsome bookends.

Jacoby Jones is also strong enough to set the corner and take on the OTs. Generally, you can only play 2 true lighter weight "rush ends" at the same time against teams like Tech who can't run the ball effectively, or on 3rd and long.
 
Chop said:
While he didn't play all that much last year, IMHO Jacoby Jones showed some flashes of pass rushing skills. He could make a good SDE in the four man front this year. Couple him and the other SDEs (preferably SDEs with some pass rushing capabilities) with a pure "rush end" on the other side (like LB/DE Ossai or Vaughans), and we've got ourselves some potentially fearsome bookends.

Jacoby Jones is also strong enough to set the corner and take on the OTs. Generally, you can only play 2 true lighter weight "rush ends" at the same time against teams like Tech who can't run the ball effectively, or on 3rd and long.
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Jones' skills did not really fit the scheme last season - he was somewhat out of place (plus he is the one who sucker punched Kerstetter). But his form should fit the new scheme pretty well. And now he has a clean slate with a new coach
 
This question may have been answered already in this or another thread, but I didn't notice it, so I'll go ahead and ask: are we still having spring practice in light of the coronavirus?
 
stanhin said:
This question may have been answered already in this or another thread, but I didn't notice it, so I'll go ahead and ask: are we still having spring practice in light of the coronavirus?
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Last I saw was that it was moved back to the 31st of March.
 
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