Why not Boise to the Big 12?

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Wouldn't you like that as a home game every other year as much as Iowa State?

I'm not saying Boise in lieu of BYU, heck bring them both to the Big 12.

We can make the Big 12 better than the Pac or the B1G.
 
The same thing occurred to me. I admit all of this realignment, super-conference talk is a little beyond my understanding; who should go where, football vs. non-revenue sports, impact on traditional rivalries, time zone and weather factors, TV deals and second and third-tier rights, and fans talking about cancelling season-tickets if certain conferences are or are not chosen. I guess I'm happy with the recent comments about staying put and expanding the Big12, and the reasons given for such a decision make more sense to me than all of the pros and cons offered for other options.

So I agree, if the Big12 is salvaged and the current/remaining teams are committed to a long-term future, why stop with just BYU, or whoever ends up replacing the Ags? Why not go after others including Boise State, or even TCU? I don't know what the implications are for a team committing to a new conference, and then changing their mind and going elsewhere, but it seems like the Big12 would be a more attractive option for the Horned Frogs given recent changes in the Big East. And the Big12 would seem to make a lot more sense in terms of location. Adding BYU, Boise State and TCU would put us back at 12 programs and make us as strong and viable as most other leagues in the country. And this would mean the Big10, Big12 and PAC12 all have the same number of teams, with the SEC and ACC sitting at 14 each (assuming the former adds one more). That sounds reasonable and for the most part keeps the regional flavor in tact for all concerned; perhaps then we could put all of this upheaval and drama over super-conferences to rest for good.
 
From a strictly on the field fun games to watch standpoint, adding BYU, Boise State and TCU would make for some interesting games. Doesn't replace the excitement I felt leading up to and watching games against Nebraska and A&M, but I bet we'd get some good games out of that.

I know a lot don't like TCU because they bring nothing other than a good football team.
 
No Boise because quality doesn't matter as much as TV sets. They only had 1.5 million or so in population two years ago. So even if every resident watched the game... that would not be good enough for the Networks.
 
Its not just about the quality of the football.
Its not just about the quality of the football.
Its not just about the quality of the football.
Its not just about the quality of the football.
Its not just about the quality of the football.
Its not just about the quality of the football.

People on the radio saying we should add UH and TCU. STUPID.

Boise would bring you the state of Idaho. Crickets.

That's it. So you water down you're product. Let's say you have a 300 million dollar tv deal over 5 years. Adding Boise would make it a 310 million dollar deal over 5 years. So Boise gets 1/10 of 310 or 31 mil over those 5 years, So Boise actually COST everyone 2 million bucks over the 5 years.

You want a team that ALL BY ITSELF will pull its weight. So if 300 mil divided by 9 = 33 million per team. You want a team that when added would ADD 33 million to the tv deal. (yes, i made up all numbers)

Names like Boise, UH, TCU. Would water down the pot more than they'd add to it. Teams like West Virginia, BYU, Arkansas, or ND would actually add to the pot that would be split.

You don't just add teams to get to 12 unless they bring something monetarily to the table.


Further, teams like TCU and Boise are not historically good. Just because they've been solid for 5-10 years doesn't mean they have the means or the coaches to maintain it. All it would take would be for an Okie State to hire away Peterson or an LSU to hire away Patterson and those schools may go back to mediocrity FAST.

Its not just about the quality of the football.
Its not just about the quality of the football.
Its not just about the quality of the football.
Its not just about the quality of the football.
Its not just about the quality of the football.
Its not just about the quality of the football.
 
I want the Big 12 to be the Big 16. I want as many Texas teams as possible. I don't give a crap about how that affects recruiting or TV market. Of course I'm not talking about adding North Texas or Utep. I would love to get the excitement in the state of Texas going and have Aggie feeling like an outsider in the state and in the SEC.
 
Orange Chipper is 100% correct. Unfortunately, he also explained exactly why college football is shooting itself in the foot. That which made the NFL less fun to me is now making college football less fun to me. Money ruined pro sports and it will now ruin college football. It was great while it lasted.
 
West Virginia is a big Zero, give me Boise State. Arkansas does not bring that much to the table, still give me Boise State, what they have done in 20 years as far as growth, give them another 20 years with us and let's see their growth.

ND is a no brainer, if it could be done, which I doubt.

I say ask FSU and Miami how they feel about the water downed ACC Basketball centric conference.
 
For those that say Boise only brings a tiny population to the table must not talk to many people. Everyone talks about Boise the day after they play on TV. I actually get sick of hearing about the trick plays time and time again, and now it's Kellen Moore is the best QB in football. After they beat OU they picked up a lot of TV sets nationwide.
 
Adding TCU and/or Boise would be great for the fans, so it isn't going to happen. Dodds wants money and bodybag games. He has said as much plenty of times. Not sure why fans here care about TV markets or TV contracts. That money hasn't made my donation any lower and it sure as heck hasn't improved the quality of opponents.

Not sure about the people who keep dismissing TCU athletics as a while. Every team they field (other than MBB) was ranked in the top 25 at some point last year.
 
Well, as a Texas Ex (two times over) living in Boise, I would sure as **** like to see that happen, but I just don't think there's any way it ever would.

FWIW, Boise State has actually had a pretty good track record of historical success since the 60s and 70s; it's just that they started as a junior college, then moved into Division II, the Division I-AA, etc, so it's only been recently that they've had some national prominence. IIRC, they didn't move into Division I-A until 1996--really not all that long ago. They've been successful every time they've upgraded conferences.
 
We are going to continue to get our recruits. If we had other Texas schools in our conference it would help them in recruits as well. They would be better which would bring quailty to the teams in our conference. I'd rather our HS boys stay in state than going to the SEC. We have more money than we know what to do with so not worried about how much money we bring in because we are going to do well no matter what.. I want college football to be exciting in the state. Let Aggie struggle in the SEC and let's get college football exciting across the state instead of just in Austin.
 
Some of you worry WAY TOO MUCH about TV sets instead of who has a quality football program. Do you want to watch good football or do you want to be a marketing executive?
 
TCU has also been fielding some pretty good baseball teams over the past few years. Other than that and football, not much else.
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I thought it was about academics?
 
Believe it or not, this decision has little if anything to do with which team out there has the best football team. There's more to a conference than just three months out of the year, and the school president is not going to align the university with another one just because they make for one good football game per year.

Do I want to be a marketing exec? Not necessarily but i'd also like to live in a world that extends a little farther than my remote control can reach.
 
I am fully aware that there are many factors involved in joining a conference. I just think people are focusing a little too hard on TV sets. Would we like great academics, more eye balls, etc, yes but one also has to realize that football is the driving force that pays for EVERYTHING else athletically.
 
Good grief, folks. Does it occur to any of you that all these games cost a helluva lot of money?

Boise State? TCU?

It's like you've bought a grocery store, but you give away all the food because the people are hungry.
 
I am really hopeful for TCU, Boise State, SMU, Houston, BYU and other similar schools.

Absolutely, add them all or as many as you can. Whatever forces Texas out of the B12, I'm all for.
 
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