Why Not a Big 12/East Confederation?

XOVER

500+ Posts
I'd like you folks to rip apart this little realignment fantasy I've cooked up, based on the MWC/CUSA merger discussion, if you care to.

How about a Big 12 / "Big East plus 3" confederation that might look something like this:

East
West Virginia
Rutgers
Connecticut
Louisville
Cincinnati
South Florida
3 from: Boise State, Air Force, SMU, Houston, Navy, East Carolina, Tulane, or Central Florida

West
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Texas Christian
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State

For an initial, experimental term of years, the East plays its side, the West plays its side, no cross-games -- it's a confederation during the experimental years. The East keeps and divides its money, the West keeps and divides its money, and each division negotiates its own TV contract for the initial term of years. During these beginning years, each side only has 8 conference games per year -- those in their own division (although it's okay to schedule teams from the other side if you want to, but they don't count in your divisional standings). The divisional winners meet in the conference championship game.

During the initial term of years, Texas gets the LHN up and running, and, if the LHN is not what was expected, after the initial term of years expires, Texas migrates to the SEC, B1G, PAC, or ACC, leaving the remaining schools in a stable situation where we all live happily ever after. Or, if the LHN is going great guns, or if Texas (or OU) otherwise wants to stay, then go with the conference long-term, fully integrate the conference, and set up an interdivisional play scheme, maybe 3 pods of 6 (or whatever works).

Notice how the Texas and Oklahoma schools happily make up a pod of 6, thus preserving the RRR and the most intense rivalries. With 3 pods of 6, you could play your pod every year, keep your travel costs down (look at how compact the TX/OK pod footprint is), as well as play every team in the entire conference once every 4 years and still maintain an 8-game conference schedule, leaving 4 games each year for teams outside of your 18-team conference footprint.

As things are developing right now, by going to 12 in the Big 12, with the addition of, say, Louisville, West Virginia, and Cincinnati, we would be playing 8-game conference schedule anyway (but in a 12-team context). Why not have a bigger vision?

Why not have a bigger vision since an 18-team confederation doesn't cramp your 8-game schedule at all, and most likely increases your television revenue, due to the acquisition of so many additional markets
? Just make it known to everybody upfront that the whole situation is experimental so there is no hard feelings if you leave.

This confederated conference would realize the addition of the entire New York City market (such as it is), whole parts of the Florida market (certainly Tampa Bay, at the least), parts of the North Carolina market (by adding East Carolina), and maybe we could sweet-talk the North into adding Tulane just to irritate the so-and-so SEC (thus making incursions into New Orleans). Yea, I know these mid-majors don't "control" any of those markets (yet), but maybe they could over a long period of time, especially with kings like Texas and Oklahoma regularly coming into town?

At any rate, maybe add Tulane, East Carolina and Houston to the North (but whoever they want). Now there's a league with some long-term, developmental potential, or am I wrong? Plus, during the experimental years, the West gets to keep its little pile of money, without adding any more hungry mouths to feed
, just in case the whole enterprise turns out to be a complete fiasco. So you get to have your cake (make $$$) and eat it (keep $$$), too -- a sort "realignment insurance policy".

End fantasy.

Whaddaya think?
 
I like it and brought this up
at the time of last years defections. It was not met with interest then. Maybe the loss of two additional schools and little choice for replacements make it more palatable. I like the opportunity to have accg that doesnt screw a team from "our conference" and keeps the beast teams seperate. I can't see how each conference will keep AQ status and yet play each other. I can see this as the model for 20 team conferences. Keep non-revenue sports local, no repeats in the ccg and expand markets for fb. Maybe this is what Dodds was refering to in his interview?
 
I did not think of AQ status for both, good point. I guess we try to get two AQ bids?

Plus, if you play in pods of 6, where do your 2 teams for the playoff come from, especially if 3 are undefeated, or one loss, etc.? This is a thorny problem because you really need a 2-tier conference playoff to solve it. Either the NCAA changes the rule, or ....

An 18-team merger sure would give the LHN the widest possible platform to become carried by the major providers, that's for sure.
 
Only one conference AQ and only one conference CCG per the current rules.

The "East" brings nothing in football (but quite a lot in basketball). WV is aggy/TCU both on and off the field. Not sure what that adds (and very few TV sets). Rutgers adds NYC but nothing on the playing field.

The Big 12 needs to force Mizzou's hand now so they can get Boise, BYU +1. Otherwise Boise is going to be locked-up in the Big East with a hefty walk-away fee.
 
Interesting. Today, I'll list the TV viewership numbers for all the cities in that conference alignment.
 
This concept offers the following advantages:
A CCG would bring in additional revenue. It might help TV contract negotiations. It would also offer the opportunity to allow the higher ranked to team to host the game - unless Jerry kicked in some serious cash. We all know the real CCG is in October in Dallas. This would be something to attract some national attention in December.
The concept of seperate finances unifies the B2 against the Beast teams (regardless of any rivalry) because revenue sharing would directly benefit all the teams in the B2. Revenue negative programs in the Beast would not be supported by the B2 programs so markets are more important than the quality of any specific school. Every year the Beast could probably field one team (its champion) which would be a boost to SOS. The conferences don't need to have any regular season games which allows more OOC games (for much needed boost in SOS.) Round robin play among the B2 is preserved (which apparently was important for some schools.) If at some point there was value in playing a regular season football game have it week one beast vs.B2 match-up of 10 games and let the network hype it. For basketball have an arrangement to play a certain number of non-conference games or maybe a tounament (MSG?) with all the members of both conferences. Non-revenue sports are spared the travel.

It's not like adding BYU and ND to the conference or joining the BIG with OU in tow, but there may be possiblities to stave of conference death for a several years and create some interest.
 
Here are the national ranking and TV viewership numbers (number of TV Homes per city) for your proposed mega-conference (national rank / TV market cities included / number of TV homes):

East
West Virginia (63rd) Charleston/Huntington, WV (501,530 TV Homes)
Rutgers (1st) New York, NY (7,493,530)
Connecticut (30th) Hartford/New Haven, CT (1,010,630)
Louisville (49th) Louisville, KY (668,310)
Cincinnati (33rd) Cincinnati, OH (918,670)
South Florida (14th) Tampa/St. Petersburg, FL (1,805,810)

Total TV Homes (East): 12,398,480

3 from:
Boise State (112th) Boise, ID (262,800)
Air Force (92nd) Colorado Springs/Pueblo, CO (334,710)
SMU (5th) Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX (2,544,410)
Houston (10th) Houston, TX (2,123,460)
Navy (27th) Baltimore, MD (1,093,170)
East Carolina (103rd) Greenville/New Bern/Washington, NC (290,280)
Tulane (51st) New Orleans, LA (633,930)
Central Florida (19th) Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne, FL (1,455,620)

Total TV Homes (3 from): 8,738,380

West
Texas (48th) Austin, TX (678,730)
Texas Tech (143rd) Lubbock, TX (158,360)
Baylor (89th) Waco/Temple/Bryan, TX (339,570)
Texas Christian (5th) Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX (2,544,410)
Oklahoma (45th) Oklahoma City, OK (694,030)
Oklahoma State (61st) Tulsa, OK (528,070)
Kansas & Kansas State (136th) Topeka, KS (180,090); (69th) Wichita/Hutchinson, KS (452,710)
Iowa State (72nd) Des Moines/Ames, IA (432,310)

Total TV Homes (West): 6,008,280

NOTE: New Brunswick, NJ (Rutgers University) is located on the Northeast Corridor rail line, 27 miles southwest of Manhattan. NY.
 
XOVER
I was referring to Dodd's comment that confrences were trending to 10 teams with more regional afilliations

Viper
I by no means advocate JerryWorld. Home field for higher ranked team will favor Texas and OU. It would be a better option for the big 2 Providing an extra home game 3-4 times per decade.
 
With Missouri leaving, the Big-12 has no choice but to expand. Since UT is all about money and exposure, the Big-12 should maximize its football revenues by targeting the largest available TV markets for membership (i.e., South Florida, Central Florida, BYU, Cincinnati, Louisville, and West Virginia).

Rutgers and UCONN appear to be out of the discussion. Rutgers would be a huge addition, due to the New York TV market, but Rutgers is still holding out hope for an invitation from the ACC or Big Ten, with both leagues appearing to be in an expansion holding pattern. Connecticut has also been vocal about its desire to join the ACC. Air Force does not believe it is a good fit for the Big 12.

Of course, Boise State, San Diego State, SMU (yuck), and Houston (yuck) would jump at the chance to join.
 
I thought the BE wasn't going to be officially inviting teams until around Wednesday. Guess not.

Houston to the BE, huh? The article linked by jdelatorre says:
In reply to:


 
XOVER,
This is the comment from the Dodds interview I was referring to:

He does see a trend in conference alignment. The NCAA, Fox, ESPN/ABC and university presidents all favor moderately sized, geographically organized conferences, he said.
 

Weekly Prediction Contest

* Predict HORNS-AGGIES *
Sat, Nov 30 • 6:30 PM on ABC

Recent Threads

Back
Top