Why is Missouri upset?

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NorthCoastHorn

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I don't think they have the problem with Texas that OU does but I don't know. Does anyone have any info on why they are still flirting with the SEC?

Hook 'em
 
You thought Aggie was a little brother, can you imagine being in Nebraska and OU's shadow since, well forever?

Missouri always has thought their **** didn't stink and they still do, they are the only ones that take themselves seriously.

They have only ever shown flashes of anything remotely good, and then they fade away, similar to a Tech or TCU.
 
The only schools that would ever conceivably be ok with Texas developing a LHN and keeping all of the money for itself are (1) schools that could theorhetically do the same thing, which probably means Florida, Ohio State, notre Dame and 2005ish USC (they are no longer in that position), and (2) schools that are currently stuck in the Big 12, but have no better options (i.e. KU, KSU, ISU and Baylor). The first category is limited to schools with the q-rating and TV markets to warrant a $300M TV deal (not to mention the cajones to bully the rest of the conference into disproportionate schare of tier 1 and 2 revenue on top of that).

No one else is in the position to garner that sort of payday, including some pretty proud and dominant programs (OU, Bama, LSU, etc). Accordingly, outside of the those 4-5 schools, everyone else would prefer a conference network -- which means not only do they split the revenue, but they keep a school like UT from running away from everyone else.

Missou knows three things: (1) the Big 12 is now a second tier conference, and will be unstable and probably fall apart at some point (2) the SEC is very stable, they will make more money there, and they (currently) want Missou, and (3) if/when the Big 12 falls apart, the SEC may no longer be there for them a few years from now.

So, they rid themselves of an unstable situation and increase their annual rake by about $5-10M in the SEC.

Seems like an obvious move for them.
 
Big 12 ADs voted last year to even sharing of tier 1 and 2 revenue. The presidents never acted on it. Even SEC doesn't share tier 3 revenues.

What is the basis for the Big 12 being a second tier conference? I agree that it is unstable which can be remedied.

There's been so much talk about revenue that I admit I've lost track but I don't recall seeing any projections of each SEC team getting $5-10 million more than Big 12 teams.

I live in KC, Mo for about 10 years in the 70's-80's. Even back then Mizzou wanted to be in the Big 10 instead of the Big 8.
 
Mizzou has believed for almost 20 years now that the Big Ten would be waiting in the wings if they ever grew tired of slumming with the likes of OU, KU, and ISU. Once they found out that their hated rivals in Nebraska were chosen over them, they've been in a tiger tailspin to find their new golden parachute to hang over everyone else.

Good luck with that, Mizzou.
 
Really, you have two Tier One football programs and you call this a Tier II conference?

PAC-10 has one Tier One program.

The Big 10 has four, I will round up for Penn State, I think they are like a 1/2 Tier one school.

The ACC has none, maybe one if you merge FSU and Miami.

The Big East has none.

The SEC has, Tier one.....I will give you two. Alabama and then a partial for 3-4 other teams rounding up to two.

Florida and LSU have only been Johnny come lately's in the history of college football and the national audience for them is still somewhat lagging.

By Tier 1, I define that for the most part over the past 50 years these teams have been on National Television and competed for National Titles on at least a once a decade kind of basis.

The Big XII is not a Tier II conference. If it lost either OU or Texas then yes it drops in stature. As long as you have OU and Texas, you can put any other mixture of 7-8 schools and you would still have a tier one conference.
 
I listened to some guy on a national show pimping the Big 12. He said that the Big 12 skilled position players are head/shoulders above those of the SEC but that the DL of the SEC was head/shoulders above the Big 12. Thought that was interesting.
 
Can we please just kick them out! Theu apparently don't want to be here after flirting with just about every other conference! Go just Go Mizzou. I want to see you leave more than I wanted Aggie to go, which is saying something.
 
I think they are smart about this, as opposed to aggy. They know that going to the SEC would be good financially and would give Arky a natural rival now that LSU and aggy will renew their "feud". They also know that an offer from the Big 10 would be a great financial move for them and they could compete well with the Big 10 schools. However, I think they know that the competition level of the SEC is not something they need to get into. Using OU sorority references, they know that it's better to be one of the more attractive girls in Gamma Phi Beta house than to be one of the also-rans in the Tri Delt house.

Aggy in the SEC is the 330 pound musician in the Biggest Loser. Theyr'e not the fattest so they probably don't have the potential to win it all anyway but they've also got to compete with the ex-athlete who's going to drop the weight like a champ. They'll be lucky to be on the good side of the bell curve once they've settled in as Ole Miss West.
 
While watching the Mizzou/OU game they said the last time Mizzou won in Norman was 1966!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No wonder they want to get away.
 
They hate and envy UT. They know the Big 10 will never take them after last year's debacle that had the governor begging the Big 10 to take them, only to see "their" place go to Nebraska. They see the Big 12 as spiraling rapidly into extinction (and I don't disagree with them there). They see the choices as either SEC or something really distasteful like the Mountain West or Conference USA.
 
Mizzou has until next Wednesday to go to the SEC.

Slive is supposed to have met with MO reps in the last 24 hours.
 
They started this mess. Personally, they are about 12 hours from "GTFO!" All of these Big XII schools are trying to move forward. Either get in line or get out before the decision is made for you.
 
I don't think they hate UT. I don't think many people hate UT, other than aggy. There's a mindset where we know that UT has the most lead in the pencil. I'd say the lead ratings are 1. ND, 2. UT, 3. The rest of the pack. So, (GENERALLY) your conference mates will support UT because what's good for UT is typically good for MU/OU/etc. I think OU would like to handcuff OSU/UT/and one other together as a Plan B in the event that conference realignment explodes. It appears that UT doesn't want to be handcuffed in that Plan B. I think a duct-taped Big 12 is preferable to the ACC, the Pac 12 and the SEC. The Big 10 is the curve ball. I think that the relatively weak competition combined with additional money would be hard to turn down for any of us.

But, super conferences are fine when you have an 8 team playoff. Barring that, it's a stupid idea. OU/UT in the same division of a 16 team conference in our current world is silly. We could have situations like we had in the past where we're both in the top 3. I think a new Big 12 would be smart to have OU/UT in different divisions and the off years of the conference tilt we'd play the RRS as a non-conference game.
 
Just want to add another insight here....Listening to 104.9 "the Horn" Austin's local ESPN talk radio... in the last hour, had an interview with one of their compadres from up in MIssouri country, and the pulse is that the fan base overwhelmingly wants to get out of the conference and, hence, away from Texas. After the phone chat, the two hosts then fielded the question between them "why is everyone so down on Texas?"

I think that conversation went nowhere, because where could it go?

Just want to add then, this: Universities, institutions... that are having a problem with Texas -- for whatever reason -- really have a problem simply with themselves. You do not ever see this kind of boiling over resentment between, for example, Cal and Stanford. Or Cal and Stanford with USC. Or Princeton with Yale or Harvard, or Yale with Harvard. And so on.

Folks, this is about self esteem and whether a campus, or a region of the country, has done anything about... anything. Life, academics, research, local industry, jobs, all of it. It has nothing to do with a television network, athletic department revenue, unfair this or unfair that, research facilities, professors sitting in Chairs, or not, Nobel Prizes, none of it.

It has to do with WHO YOU ARE. And if you are not busy living... growing, doing, becoming.. You get down on yourself. From "The Outlaw Josey Wales" that line: Time for living or time for dying. The University of Texas (as Austin) has been busy making it a time for living. It's not just the university,,..it's our whole way of life. SXSW, ACL, Film Festivals, the controversial F1 track... and because of the vitality of constantly building and growing, we have handled the hot dry spell and the housing down turn, and are moving on. Staying the course. We "Keep on Trucking." We don't have time to whimper over what another city, region, university, campus, athletic program is doing. (Hello... A-&-freaking-M.. are you listening?).

I guess it was too much to ask old members of the Big 8, that came from the Big 6, that all come from the Plains States, to join in with a 'Middle of America' regional conference and share in school and athletic areas. Why in the hell it's a problem... I guess why do kids have problems in the halls and classrooms and everywhere else. Why do employees have problems in their offices.

I suggest an effort for people who stop burying themselves in petty problems that The Bard made his profession detailing at the theater, and to rise above Daytime Soap Operas.

Perhaps The University of Texas... as Austin... as Central Texas... as the State of Texas... has simply been busy pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, getting on with life, being creative, innovative, entrepreneurial, and all such endeavors, and apparently it is just too much to handle for some folks. Which is the most ridiculous way to approach life.

I am really sorry for the Nebraska's, the Texas A&M's, the Colorado's (if they had that much of a problem, but doesn't seem to have been that more than a regional thing maybe) and now Missouri. Of all things... the state and region I'd have expected more from. And more of.

I think they should go to the Mid-American Conference. They need a 7th team in the West Division to round out to 14 for their conference.

Missouri would stay more regional, would join others more on a scale with them, and be much happier in life in general.

This isn't about anybody one-upping anyone or lording over anyone, anymore than Stanford's institutional enterprises doing that to anyone.

It's not anybody doing anything to or toward anybody else... it's how some are reacting to things and taking things, and that's all on their shoulders as to their own states of consciousness and who they are and think they are.

There is a fact of karma and it goes like this:

Nothing happens to anyone except in accordance to their own state of consciousness.

The damage to the psyche, all that befalls one, is done from within.
The holes in the aura are poked from within -- to allow any negative or frustrating or depressing 'monkeys of the mind' to drive one into self-destructive thinking and imagining. Texas is not poking anyone -- others are simply poking themselves in accordance to their own states of consciousness.

A&M did it to themselves. As are others. The University of Texas is doing nothing anymore than a kid in class working hard to be a better student. And most of those students are too busy working hard to flaunt or be rude about it, but their fellow students may resent it just the same.

But that's on them. As this is on Missouri. So... go join the Mid-America West Division, and take it easy.
 
I hear the UT hatred every time I'm in a bar in Columbia, and read it whenever i go over to Tigerboard for a laugh. I can contrast how they feel about UT to the other Texas Big 12 schools, whom they generally like or respect. Many actually love the Aggies, and got all excited when the Corps marched around the streets here. Their version of the conference problems boils down to "it's all Texass' fault."
 
If the SEC has made Missouri a secret offer, I would be shocked if Missouri didn't accept it. Then we will see what Baylor and Iowa State will do.

The fact that Brady Deaton (MU chancellor) and Mike Alden (athletic director) declined to confirm the university’s commitment in the long or short term to the Big-12 says it all. Translation: The Big-12 joins hands and sings "Kumbaya" excluding Mizzou who whistles "Dixie".
 
Missouri used to be a basketball power in the Big 8. I think they were OK with Texas being a football school as long as they could have basketball.

Psyche! Texas also ends up not only being good in BBall, but better than Mizzou.

They accuse Texas of arrogance. In the strictest definition, arrogance involves an overinflated view of one self and Missouri has it in spades!
 
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