Why didn't they hire dealers in 'Rounders'?

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TheFied

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Watched it last night, seen it many many times. Great movie, got me and many others onto poker.

I have played in underground games before and all of them have dealers who aren't players. And none of them were as nice as the underground games in Rounders, certainly not the place the chick works at. So they have a professional at the 'cage' but rotating dealers?
 
it's my vague understanding that having a paid dealer makes a game that was at first only moderately illegal, extremely illegal. awaiting responses from people who actually know laws and stuff.
 
Are you sure that the poker rooms weren't "renting" the tables for a "friendly" game amongst friends, and thus no dealers? I don't actually know anything about illegal poker rooms, just guessing on semantics.
 
okay, saw it again a couple of nights ago, how did he turn $10,000 into $60,000???

he played with 10, doubled it to 20

then he played with 20 and doubled it

or did he end up playing more and we just don't see it????
 
My understanding is that as long as the house takes a cut, no matter if dealers or food or drinks are 'included', then it is illegal. Renting tables is also illegal in my understanding.

So the Chesterfield was not legal. They have a nice setup, cashier, security... get a ******* dealer.

That said, without a dealer, how is the house taking their cut? No way I am ever playing in an underground game that takes a cut that doesn't have a dealer.

Obviously just a movie and they needed that angle for Worm to be the cheat.

My favorite line in the entire movie is after they got their asses kicked and Worm says "Mike, why didn't you play those kings"... when he dealt him pocket kings in the 1st hand of the night. They just lost their entire roll and got their asses kicked and he is asking about the kings. Hilarious. Or "I need your charity like I need your cock in my ***". Great movie. Surprisingly hollywood hasn't made a good poker movie since then.
 
It makes no sense that the Chesterfield wouldn't have a dealer. I can understand the cops and their tavern not having a dealer. I would even think that KGB would have dealers. The idea is that the dealer controls the game and pot. Without that, mistakes or cheating could occur more frequently.

But for the movie, it gave them time to have more talking.
 
Another thing, I like how the 'municipal worker' (ha, the cop game) had a $1000 buy-in. Pretty steep for cops. Min buy-in? Nice. For a game with $1000 min buy-in, dealers should also be around.
 
Did KGB not have a dealer at the other tables? I was thinking he didn't want a dealer in the heads-up game just to make it more man-to-man.

As for the money, he didn't just double up the first time. He had turned his $10,000 into $30,000 which is what his goal was (right?). KGB goaded him into risking THAT money which is what he used doubled up one more time at the end.

EDIT: Ok, I'm rewatching the end of the movie right now since I'm pretty sure I remember it wrong. One thing though, how did he cash that check comission free? I'm guessing a money box wasn't open i nthe middle of the night, so he'd have to go to one of those 10-20% places like they have all over Vegas. no?

EDIT #2: Has anyone noticed how bad a shuffler KGB is? You can see there's a face card at the bottom, when he shuffles, and this would be a huge help to Mike. Whats weird is that they have one of those little cut card things, but he doesn't use it to block the bottom card nor does he cut the cards with it...

EDIT #3: Also why is Grammer (sp?) so pissed off? What does he care who wins? He still made a bundle on buying up the markers even with taking on a partner. I mean I doubt KGB gave him part of the poker club business, so he shouldn't care if it loses money, he still gets his half of the repayment on the loans.

Conclusion on double-up question. You are correct in that they don't show all the money coming into the game, but if he leaves with over $60,000 that means Mike was killing him all night and had to bust him out numerous times, the first time for $10,000, at least another time which busted him out of the $20,000 rebuy, and then a final time which he got at the end. I'm guessing the second rebuy happened after Mike busted him on the oreos, but how much was it for? Not 40 which is what Mike had, it had to be a little over $20,000 to get Mike a little over 60 at the end, so why the odd number? Did Mike bust him out of all the cash he had on hand?
 
Poker rooms couldn't afford dealers until everyone saw the movie Rounders.
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I am a little late on this but I am surprised that no one questioned why Mike didn't **** the brunette. She wasn't the hottest chick on the planet, but I don't know too many single dudes that would have turned down that ***.
 
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