whats up with our 2013 recruiting?

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pilotfo64

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..we are usually top 5 at this point?
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Small class. Apparently, quantity counts as much as quality with the recruiting services...oh well...
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We don't need a big class. Even after the seniors leave, we have 72 scholarships tied up (not including Fera who doesn't count against the 85). Losing 4-5 to attrition means we can only take 17-18 total.

This one parallels the 2005 class to me. We only took 15 that year, but 11 of them became highly-contributing starters, including Colt and Jamaal. I'd much rather have that than a class of 28 where only 6 of them pan out.
 
"why can't we do what alabama does and just sign as many as we want and then force underachievers off the team?"

Not sure if this is in jest or serious, because we already do that.

Tariq Allen
Eryon Barnett
Taylor Bible
DeAires Cotton
Brock Fitzhenry
Garrett Gilbert
Derek Johnson
Chris Jones
Dominique Jones
Tevin Mims
Patrick Nkwopara
Traylon Shead
Darius Terrell
AJ White
Connor Wood

List doesn't even include the guys who were booted for illegal things or insubordination.
 
seems like many of those guys left for lack of PT. i'm talking about making life miserable on scholarship players to the point that they are fully aware that they're no longer welcome. i've always thought that if you worked hard and sucked you still had a spot on our team. i also know that if you are an ******* you really don't (thinking wr from skyline).
 
"i've always thought that if you worked hard and sucked you still had a spot on our team."

I'm sure many of the aforementioned worked hard. Are you saying GG didn't? Playing time is a direct correlation to talent and whether the coach could use you on the field. I have no doubt that the ones I mentioned were forced out because of the reasons leading to no playing time. Cutesy press releases aside, like "I'll always be a fan of Texas and root for them in my heart."

Then there's dudes like Dan Buckner, Darius White, and Calvin Howell who were just plain kicked off.
 
But you're saying that Saban/Miles and the like are kicking hardworking, decent, studious subpar players out the door, when I feel that we're basically doing the same exact thing. It's a little too orange-tinted to say "well Shead wanted playing time elsewhere" when that's basically what all "force-outs" come down to.

Maybe Texas players are supposed to "want" to succeed, while Alabama players are just along for the ride or something. Either way, it's a little too convenient that we've lost soooo many players to attrition the last few years and state that "it was best for both parties" when I know that's just not the case.
 
Does Saban sign more players every year than he has space for and manipulate grayshirts or medical redshirts or whatever else?
Does Mack?
I thought i heard saban does this so correct me if i'm wrong. and i'd like to know if mack does it too.
 
We've only oversigned twice in the last 10 years, if you're using 25 commits as the measuring stick. But if you sign 20 when there are only 18 scholarships available, you're basically saying the same thing as a school that perennially oversigns. That two guys don't matter in your grand scheme.

Alabama has oversigned 6 times in the last 10 years, but usually by massive margins as well (like 32 kids in a class). Many of those guys end up in JUCO. The ones that don't go to community college end up taking over a roster spot that forces someone out.

You can't "plan" a medical redshirt, because you can only apply for those after your senior year. As for the whole grayshirting thing and counting players against the previous year's class, every school does that, but the SEC schools that oversign probably do it a lot more.
 
it's probably a boring discussion for you and everyone else so i'll leave it alone after this but i think oversigning 4 players in 10 years (guess) is vastly different from oversigning 60 (or more - another guess). one is situational and the other is systemic, clearly.
 
Sure, I'll agree that the "systemic" teams do it more than us. Not to the tune of 60 oversignings like you said, but still forcing people out. If it makes us "better" than them because we've only forced out a few compared to them, then fine.
 
You're just arguing for the sake of arguing, or you slept the last 5 years. What Saban and Miles were doing caused the NCAA to change rules. UT signed players, they actually participated in the program and even played in games. UT signed classes at, below or slightly above its available scholarship number. Usually above when there was academic troubles coming. What Saban was doing was signing 30+ when there were maybe 20 scholarships available. Then weeding out these freshman classes by putting those about the available number on medical redshirts for a year, then dropping them from the scholarship and school. Basically they were bringing in many more than they were supposed to and getting to evaluate who they liked best within their program, then dropping those they didn't like. UT has done nothing even close to that. Imagine us putting the true freshman we don't like on med redshirt and dropping them before next season. UT is NOT doing that.
 
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Not trying to get into whether or not I agree with how things are done....

Its not medical redshirts, its medical scholarships.
And every athlete who gets put on medical scholarship still counts towards the NCAAs Academic Progress Rate.

So the athletes are not put on medical then simply removed from school. They have to be making the satisfactory advancement towards their degree.
 
I was just checking to see how many players Alabama signed last year. I typed in to Google "how many players did Alabama sign" and up pops a site essentially dedicated to Alabama's practice of oversigning. Oversigning.com with subcategories: Saban, SEC, Alabama, etc.

I know, that site probably just picked Alabama out of a hat.
 
I understand you have issues with it.

But things in college athletics can work both ways.

On one hand you can sit here and say that Saban is doing a disservice to kids by over using the medical scholarship.

Others could say Mack Brown is doing a disservice by having an APR rating of 914 for the most recent year (2010-2011).

So suddenly we're going to split hairs that Saban is awful because kids he puts on medical scholarship still goto class and still are on pace to earn their degrees. But Mack is a nice guy who wouldn't want to oversign, so he has fewer players on scholarship yet there's a larger issue of his players ability to be on track to graduate.

Cade McCrary and Nate Bowyer - the two most recent additions to Texas' football scholarship counts. Walk ons who have busted their hump. That's a nice story, that's a good story.

For Bama, we had a two players who were unexpectedly not on scholarship anymore. Does Saban give both to some hard working walk ons? No he doesn't. He gives one to a grayshirt offer he had out and one to a walkon.

Maybe not what I would do, but to each his own.
 
So Alabama oversigning and having a low APR (i'm assuming it's low since you pointed out Texas is at 91 or whatever and Alabama is the bottom 3 of the SEC at 93) is a double whammy?

Besides, what is APR? Proof that some schools are better than others at ensuring their athletes coast through school?
And how does a slightly lower APR benefit Mack Brown overall, except that it might generate one more scholarship opening every 8 years compared to Alabama?

My issue isn't so much the ethics because really where to start with that in college football, right? It's that the most dominant program in the country happens to be the same school that is signing more players than everyone else and if that's the case then something should be done to even things out.
 
You're right, I misread the graphic.
I don't understand your point so maybe you need to help me out a little but how does a low APR make you a better football team? Oversigning to the degree that Alabama does is a ridiculous advantage.

I haven't read your link on APR yet and I guess I should before I tell you how unimpressed I am with schools that shuttle kids through programs toward degrees that include "study sessions" that have the test in advance, i mean a study outline for the test.... Did you know any athletes at Alabama? Maybe you were one, I don't know. Would I feel better if Vince Young had a degree from Texas? No, I wouldn't. He doesn't seem like someone who could have earned a degree from Texas without a tremendous amount of "help". Should he get one anyway, for the sacrifices he made for the school that gave it so much money and exposure? Maybe, I don't know.

How does the 4 point APR difference between Texas and Alabama benefit Texas on the football field? Because that is what I"m talking about.
 
it's a 40 point difference on the four year average. For the 2010-2011 season Bama had 977 and Texas had 914. And why you should care is if Texas misses out on postseason play because the score is so low.

Get out of here with the "shuttle kids through" crap. Texas scored damn near perfect on most of their sports. Yet football was miles behind.

Ive spent my time on Bama boards discussing why I disagree with oversigning, but I would assume a Texas fan would focus on the disaster that's happening within is favorite football team.

And how does it effects your team on the field??

If a player is being recruited by rivals of Texas, they can say how Texas doesn't care about your well being as a STUDENT athlete.

Does that make them correct? Probably not. But the fodder is there.

That means Texas could start missing out on some very good players.

Which in turn would affect the performance on the field.

Lots of schools oversign, some more than Bama even, yet they're not #1 of the AP poll every year the last five years.

Again, would I oversign? No. But that's my choice. To say that Mack Brown is some swell guy because he doesn't is silly.
 
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