What does a 21st century revolution in America look like?

Musburger1

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I'm not sure what a revolution would look like nor do I know what the odds of success would be or even how to define success. As a 30 minute introductory to this post, maybe one or two of you might read this article as food for thought. It may be over the top, but even so, there's some meat there.

https://www.unz.com/article/whither-america/

But I'll give my perspective of the current reality in America. My perspective differs from most on this board, though some of you have migrated toward my viewpoint over time.

Here's where we are.

The centers of power (Intel Agencies, State Department, Justice Department, Pentagon, Federal Reserve, Big Pharma, Social Media - Google, Facebook, Twitter , Major Network Media, multi-national corporations, Higher Education Administrations etc.) control the election processes and/or basically write and execute policy.

1. Free market capitalism has transitioned over the past few decades to the point where it is now a centrally managed, financialized economy that is detached from market principles.
2. Socialism/marxism has simultaneously captured university departments and indoctrinated a top down ideology featuring white guilt, identity politics, restriction on speech, equality of result rather than equality of opportunity and so on.
3. The Department of Justice, State Department, Intel Agencies make and carry out decisions independent and contrary to the policy of the President when they deem fit. In fact, some of these entities actually colluded to have the President removed from office.
4. The nation's debt is protected by perpetual debt monetization by the Federal Reserve.
5. Big Pharma and medical costs are draining citizens of capital and leading to many bankruptcies.
6. Half the public believes the election was rigged.

And there is much more.

In my opinion, the system has degraded to the degree it cannot be reformed. Writing your Congressmen isn't an option especially now (if it ever has been). Elections at the national level no longer are significant as neither side will except the result, and even if they did, the government is systemically rotten That being the case, citizens must either passively except further decay and erosion of rights or actively seek change outside of the electoral process. But that would be ugly and most likely substantial loss of life. What are options to bring about change?

Individuals or militias would have to come up with goals to achieve change. Maybe this would mean thousands of people storming media HQs, the Department of Justice, and/or the Federal Reserve. This is of course illegal and would be met with force. If the numbers were large enough, it would require the military to put down such a rebellion. What would the military do? How would the soldiers react?

Probably it won't come to this. But if the population won't accept the status quo, what's the way out?
 
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Best thing would be peaceful secession
Best thing would be peaceful secession
A peaceful secession is impossible because unlike 1861 the states themselves are divided. Would Georgia secede? Right now we don’t even know if Georgia is considered red or blue.

Urban areas are dominated by liberalism and rural areas by traditional conservatism. If Texas seceded there would immediately be battle for control. The population in Houston adheres to one ideology and the people in Katy another. West Texas is red but greater Austin is blue.
 
1. Free market capitalism has transitioned over the past few decades to the point where it is now a centrally managed, financialized economy that is detached from market principles.
My biggest beef with the way capitalism has turned out in recent decades is that very large companies dominate the landscape--with the aid of their paid-off lackeys in government positions. This is to the detriment of smaller companies, independents, and ultimately the consumer. The optimist in me says the way to "revolutionize" this situation will occur naturally with new innovation coming from the little guys. But such successful innovators will soon turn into new very big guys themselves and buy their own government lackeys through lobbying. I'm not in favor of any sort of civil war, violence, etc. Don't ever say: "it can't get any worse." Yes it can.
 
My biggest beef with the way capitalism has turned out in recent decades is that very large companies dominate the landscape--with the aid of their paid-off lackeys in government positions. This is to the detriment of smaller companies, independents, and ultimately the consumer. The optimist in me says the way to "revolutionize" this situation will occur naturally with new innovation coming from the little guys. But such successful innovators will soon turn into new very big guys themselves and buy their own government lackeys through lobbying. I'm not in favor of any sort of civil war, violence, etc. Don't ever say: "it can't get any worse." Yes it can.
This is where the blockchain and methods of payment/contract such as Bitcoin and Ether offer hope for the future. Unlike Google or private banks such as JP Morgan, they aren't "owned" by anyone or any corporation. Blockchain has the potential to phase out the "middle man" (such as the current financial oligopoly) which extract fees for every transaction. This leaves more money in the hands of merchants and eliminates the need for VISA, Master Card, etc, cutting out billions of extraction fees for the big banks.
 
My biggest beef with the way capitalism has turned out in recent decades is that very large companies dominate the landscape--with the aid of their paid-off lackeys in government positions. This is to the detriment of smaller companies, independents, and ultimately the consumer. The optimist in me says the way to "revolutionize" this situation will occur naturally with new innovation coming from the little guys. But such successful innovators will soon turn into new very big guys themselves and buy their own government lackeys through lobbying. I'm not in favor of any sort of civil war, violence, etc. Don't ever say: "it can't get any worse." Yes it can.

Monetary expansion is a major factor for all that you say is wrong with capitalism. It is government led central banking or cronyism not capitalism.

The other big factor is government regulation over business. That comes in many forms and factors. It squelches innovation, particularly coming from new and small companies.
 
This is where the blockchain and methods of payment/contract such as Bitcoin and Ether offer hope for the future.

Yeah Mus, but then the government can't expand money supply as much as it wants.
 
Mus, I was also thinking of the secession thing I brought up. You are true that a real split is urban/rural. But we still have conservative states. There would have to be a vote to secede and then again what other states to align with. That could still be done at the state level. It may lead to war within a state, but at least it will be smaller than a national civil war. Hopefully, it would be over simply by the losing group running off into a state which better shares its ideology. You may even get some states breaking off into smaller ones.
 
You return-to-the-gold-standard guys are cracking me up.
:lmao:
Blockchain, bitcoin, etc. may play out differently, as the supply of $ is not constrained by the availability of a precious metal mined primarily in the 3rd World. I'm not sure how the supply of $ expands and constricts with bitcoin, etc., but at least it's not tied to a precious metal.
 
Mus, I was also thinking of the secession thing I brought up. You are true that a real split is urban/rural. But we still have conservative states. There would have to be a vote to secede and then again what other states to align with. That could still be done at the state level. It may lead to war within a state, but at least it will be smaller than a national civil war. Hopefully, it would be over simply by the losing group running off into a state which better shares its ideology. You may even get some states breaking off into smaller ones.
I can see this. It would be ugly, but less ugly than other possibilities.
 
I'm not sure how the supply of $ expands and constricts with bitcoin, etc., but at least it's not tied to a precious metal.
It is tied to a fixed and predictable production schedule through the year 2140, secured by encrypted energy
There is elasticity in price and demand, but supply does not respond to either as it does with gold, for example
 
John Kerry has a final solution to any talk of a revolution
Speaking at the World Economic Forum, he says a great reset was urgently needed to stop the rise of populism.

He says Biden rejoining the "Paris Climate Agreement" is “not enough.”

“The notion of a reset is more important than ever before. I personally believe … we’re at the dawn of an extremely exciting time.”

“I think Europe has to look at that with Brexit and the rising national populism — nationalistic populism. Which is really one of the priorities that we all have to address. You can’t dismiss it.
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John Kerry Says Great Reset is Needed to Stop Rise of Populism
 
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“The notion of a reset is more important than ever before. I personally believe … we’re at the dawn of an extremely exciting time.”
Oh, there needs to be a reset no doubt about that. All the systems are broken. The question needs to be, who is going to lay down the parameters of a "reset?" If it's going to be the globalist, non-elected, unaccountable people such as the World Economic Forum and their minions like John Kerry, then the majority of the world is going to get screwed.
 
Oh, there needs to be a reset no doubt about that. All the systems are broken. The question needs to be, who is going to lay down the parameters of a "reset?" If it's going to be the globalist, non-elected, unaccountable people such as the World Economic Forum and their minions like John Kerry, then the majority of the world is going to get screwed.

It's funny how they see themselves on the defensive. They are scared.
The first three words of the US Constitution scare the crap out of the Kerry types

"We the People"
 
Oh, there needs to be a reset no doubt about that. All the systems are broken. The question needs to be, who is going to lay down the parameters of a "reset?" If it's going to be the globalist, non-elected, unaccountable people such as the World Economic Forum and their minions like John Kerry, then the majority of the world is going to get screwed.
Would rather have a Proud Boys or Richard Spencer version of the world? Thanks, no.
 
Would rather have a Proud Boys or Richard Spencer version of the world? Thanks, no.
First of all, it doesn't have to be a binary choice between globalist Marxists and right wing nut cases.
Second, if you seriously think Proud Boys and their small number of zealous followers are a serious threat to the existing power structure you are nuts.
 
Wait, are you saying you prefer antifa/BLM? I forgot whether you were an “antifa is just an idea” believer.
 
Blockchain, bitcoin, etc. may play out differently, as the supply of $ is not constrained by the availability of a precious metal mined primarily in the 3rd World. I'm not sure how the supply of $ expands and constricts with bitcoin, etc., but at least it's not tied to a precious metal.

You are showing your ignorance. The amount of Bitcoin was determined up front. There is less and less being mined every year. Then at some point that's it. No more. Not sure how far away we are but it is within a decade.
 

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