allowed for each sport by the NCAA? I know that in football it is 85 but what about basketball, baseball, volleyball, softball and other sports? Can anyone help?
What are the number of athletic scholarships
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Thank you torre.
ImissWallyPryor
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Does anyone know what the typical partial scholarship is for a particular sport? I've heard of players being offered "books only" or "tuition only" scholarships, but I'm not sure if it literally means that. If it is literal, then how can you translate that into a scholarship equivalent. It would make more sense to me to give the athlete a scholarship that covers a certain fraction of the total cost of tuition, fees, books, room & board, etc.
This weekend, I was talking to the dad of a kid at his graduation party. He's going to a smaller school on a partial athletic scholarship. They just gave him a dollar amount that seemed to be roughly 1/4 of the cost of going to that school. But, the kid has to also work as an assistant athletic trainer/student manager for anther team sport. It sounded almost like it was a part-time job in the athletic department to allow him to lower AD costs in exchange for scholarship money. The dad wasn't sure how this all figured into scholarship limitations.
Another thing I've wondered about partial scholarships is whether out-of-state students have to pay the difference based on non-resident tuition rates or is it figured at in-state rates. It would seem to me that the schools would have a much more difficult time recruiting OOS athletes if they had to pay OOS rates. That would be a major recruiting stumbling block for schools that don't have a rich pool of in-state athletes.
This weekend, I was talking to the dad of a kid at his graduation party. He's going to a smaller school on a partial athletic scholarship. They just gave him a dollar amount that seemed to be roughly 1/4 of the cost of going to that school. But, the kid has to also work as an assistant athletic trainer/student manager for anther team sport. It sounded almost like it was a part-time job in the athletic department to allow him to lower AD costs in exchange for scholarship money. The dad wasn't sure how this all figured into scholarship limitations.
Another thing I've wondered about partial scholarships is whether out-of-state students have to pay the difference based on non-resident tuition rates or is it figured at in-state rates. It would seem to me that the schools would have a much more difficult time recruiting OOS athletes if they had to pay OOS rates. That would be a major recruiting stumbling block for schools that don't have a rich pool of in-state athletes.
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Some of those seem very low. There's only 9.9 for men's soccer, and it takes 11 to field a team. Only 4.5 for men's volleyball, and it takes 6 to field a team. Is this all that accurate? I wonder if some of these figures are per-year limits.
iowahorn11
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Yes those are accurate numbers, and I'm not sure what you mean by "per year limits." Every scholarship is renewable from year to year, so each and every number on that list is a per year limit. You can have 85 football players on scholarship in a given year. For the most part, basketball and football are the only sports where the players receive "full" scholarships, the majority of athletes receive partial scholarships that cover a certain % of tuition (and living expenses if they live on campus I believe).
As for ImissWallyPryor's question, I'll do my best to answer. My roommates and several of my friends are D-1 athletes, some in football (everything gets paid for) and most in golf/tennis/track. Most scholarships for those sports are "tuition only." Several of my friends receives scholarships in the 30-40% range but have to pay full price for their textbooks (and get to keep them or sell them following the semester). Book scholarships, from my experience, is a little more rare and I'm not real sure how they work. If I had to guess, each team is allotted a certain amount of book scholarships (say, 1 book scholarship for every 2 tuition scholarships). Don't quote me on that, it's just a guess. But I do know that the kids who get book scholarships basically just receive the book on a no cost semester loan from the school and if they don't return them they have to pay the cost. The problem with your idea of a fractional scholarship to cover all costs is that books can cost $200 a semester if you're lucky or could be $800+, just like apartments (remember, most kids don't live in the dorms or eat dorm food after their freshman years) can range in costs by a huge amount. The cost of college varies too much from student to student to make that a realistic option. It would be unfair to expect a school in a city like NYC where living costs are astronomical to foot the same % of expenses as a school like Kansas State where I would imagine the cost of living is low. It also probably has something to do with budgeting for the schools.
It sounds to me more like your buddy's kid is receiving a grant from the school rather than an actual NCAA athletic scholarship. None of my D-1 friends on partial scholarships have any sort of work requirements for their scholarship. It is very common for lower level schools (who obviously have lower scholarship allotments and higher tuition costs since many of them are private schools) to find other ways to get potential athletes financial aid aside from actual athletic scholarships.
As for the in-state vs. OOS tuition question, I don't know the exact answer (and I'm not sure if you're asking if them being athletes makes them considered in state students or if you're just asking if they receive say 40% of OOS tuition as a scholarship) but I believe they are subject to OOS tuition costs and their scholarship is figured on OOS costs as well. Say OOS tuition is $20K and their scholarship is 40%...they pay 12K I believe. My HS baseball coach went on several rants about LSU and Georgia having unfair advantages in partial scholarship sports because (according to him) in state students get free tuition and as a result they can offer OOS athletes huge scholarships. No idea if that's true, but he certainly believed it.
As for ImissWallyPryor's question, I'll do my best to answer. My roommates and several of my friends are D-1 athletes, some in football (everything gets paid for) and most in golf/tennis/track. Most scholarships for those sports are "tuition only." Several of my friends receives scholarships in the 30-40% range but have to pay full price for their textbooks (and get to keep them or sell them following the semester). Book scholarships, from my experience, is a little more rare and I'm not real sure how they work. If I had to guess, each team is allotted a certain amount of book scholarships (say, 1 book scholarship for every 2 tuition scholarships). Don't quote me on that, it's just a guess. But I do know that the kids who get book scholarships basically just receive the book on a no cost semester loan from the school and if they don't return them they have to pay the cost. The problem with your idea of a fractional scholarship to cover all costs is that books can cost $200 a semester if you're lucky or could be $800+, just like apartments (remember, most kids don't live in the dorms or eat dorm food after their freshman years) can range in costs by a huge amount. The cost of college varies too much from student to student to make that a realistic option. It would be unfair to expect a school in a city like NYC where living costs are astronomical to foot the same % of expenses as a school like Kansas State where I would imagine the cost of living is low. It also probably has something to do with budgeting for the schools.
It sounds to me more like your buddy's kid is receiving a grant from the school rather than an actual NCAA athletic scholarship. None of my D-1 friends on partial scholarships have any sort of work requirements for their scholarship. It is very common for lower level schools (who obviously have lower scholarship allotments and higher tuition costs since many of them are private schools) to find other ways to get potential athletes financial aid aside from actual athletic scholarships.
As for the in-state vs. OOS tuition question, I don't know the exact answer (and I'm not sure if you're asking if them being athletes makes them considered in state students or if you're just asking if they receive say 40% of OOS tuition as a scholarship) but I believe they are subject to OOS tuition costs and their scholarship is figured on OOS costs as well. Say OOS tuition is $20K and their scholarship is 40%...they pay 12K I believe. My HS baseball coach went on several rants about LSU and Georgia having unfair advantages in partial scholarship sports because (according to him) in state students get free tuition and as a result they can offer OOS athletes huge scholarships. No idea if that's true, but he certainly believed it.
ImissWallyPryor
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Thanks for the response, iowahorn11. That clears some things up for me. I can sleep now.
I guess one thing I'd still like to know is what the NCAA considers to be equivalent to a full scholarship. For example, if OOS tuition/books/fees is $20,000 and room/board is $10,000, does giving a 50% tuition scholarship count the same as it would for an in-state student on a 50% tuition scholarship when his tuition/books/fees is only $10,000?
In the former, the school is offering to pay 1/3 of the $30,000 total, while in the latter, the school is only paying 1/4 of the $20,000 total. If that's how scholarship equivalents are calculated, a school could offer 1/3 more in-state scholarships for 1/2 the total cost. That's why I was thinking that schools might be allowed to charge in-state rates for scholarship athletes to equalize things. It might be easier for schools to base their scholarships on room/board since IS and OOS are the same at any given school. However, as you pointed out, you again end up with inequality in scholarship costs when you compare room/board in Manhatten, NY vs. Manhatten, KS.
Nebraska and some other schools have special programs (I think they call them scholarships) that allow OOS students to pay in-state rates if they meet certain GPA, class rank and test score criteria. We also know a kid who just graduated and will get this deal at Nebraska. OTOH, he turned down a football scholarship at another school, so maybe this is just another "county scholarship" loophole. He says he won't be playing football at Nebraska, though.
You may be correct on my other friend's kid because he's going to a small, private lower level school. NCAA Division I restrictions obvioulsy wouldn't apply.
I guess one thing I'd still like to know is what the NCAA considers to be equivalent to a full scholarship. For example, if OOS tuition/books/fees is $20,000 and room/board is $10,000, does giving a 50% tuition scholarship count the same as it would for an in-state student on a 50% tuition scholarship when his tuition/books/fees is only $10,000?
In the former, the school is offering to pay 1/3 of the $30,000 total, while in the latter, the school is only paying 1/4 of the $20,000 total. If that's how scholarship equivalents are calculated, a school could offer 1/3 more in-state scholarships for 1/2 the total cost. That's why I was thinking that schools might be allowed to charge in-state rates for scholarship athletes to equalize things. It might be easier for schools to base their scholarships on room/board since IS and OOS are the same at any given school. However, as you pointed out, you again end up with inequality in scholarship costs when you compare room/board in Manhatten, NY vs. Manhatten, KS.
Nebraska and some other schools have special programs (I think they call them scholarships) that allow OOS students to pay in-state rates if they meet certain GPA, class rank and test score criteria. We also know a kid who just graduated and will get this deal at Nebraska. OTOH, he turned down a football scholarship at another school, so maybe this is just another "county scholarship" loophole. He says he won't be playing football at Nebraska, though.
You may be correct on my other friend's kid because he's going to a small, private lower level school. NCAA Division I restrictions obvioulsy wouldn't apply.
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