What am I missing here? Re: New Business

JohnnyM

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Current situation: Gf works with her dad here in CA. They are brokers of a product, more or less. They have strong relationships with their suppliers and a pretty large book of business.

They are 1099 contractors for a company in CA, but that company has no office here and is run out of FL. They are the ONLY contractors for this company, and the company exists solely because of/for them. The company owner, based in FL, and gf's dad started this relationship about 18 years ago when he (owner) wanted to get a west coast operation going. The owner has a large business presence in the industry in FL and has some relationships in CA, but no business interests other than the company setup to have gf and her dad as 1099 contractors.

Gf and her dad keep 47% of their commissions. FL company keeps 53%. For this, they do all of the record keeping (invoicing and collections). They also have a strong financial makeup which allows them to have good credit standing with the suppliers here in CA. For this, gf's dad has worked for 18 years at 47% more or less (it was actually 50/50 a few years ago and switched).

Gf and dad are not happy with the service they are getting from the FL staff. Mostly the invoicing is slow and their customers are complaining. I find it ABSURD that they are giving up 53% of their profit for what they get out of the deal.

My idea? Buy Quickbooks, do the invoicing myself, and cut FL guy out completely. The only thing missing is a line of credit, but I think that could be handled without too much trouble. They have very few problems with non-payment, so there would likely be very little float, if any, most of the time.

So, what am I missing? Why is this not as easy as it looks? Am I going to shoot myself after trying to setup a business like this in QB?

To answer some of the questions that may come up....

If they were to give the guy in FL a one-finger goodbye, I doubt seriously that they would lose any business. All the clients know gf and her dad exclusively.

Gf and dad are one of the suppliers largest clients, so I also don't think this would effect supplier relations (other than the credit aspect, possibly) because they also deal almost exclusively with gf and dad....and dad has been bonusing an employee at the supplier for years for good pricing.
 
I'm fairly certain that there's no formal agreements at all...just a handshake agreement that has lasted 18 years.
 
So, let me get this straight:

The Florida co. only handles the books & @ one time established an LOC which is now good virtually everywhere due to good business practices through the years?

& The products are supplied from within Cali?

Heck yeah, go for it.

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Instead of doing all the business stuff themselves, look at mybizoffice.com. I use them and they do all the invoicing, contract negotiations, accounts payable, taxs, etc. plus you can get company benefits like 401k, health insurance, etc.

Gets rid of most of the headaches of self-employment without giving up a large % of the income.
 
HTD - I'll check out the site, thanks. There is quite a volume of time-sensitive invoicing, so I think the best solution is to do it myself, but I'll take a look.

NCAA - I know, you're trying to figure out what else is there, right? Me too. It's a no-brainer to me. The LOC is really pretty irrelevant too since the suppliers will give a 30 day period and nearly everyone pays quicker than that. I could likely use a single credit card to float a few things when need be. Not preferable, but doable in a pinch.

Thanks to everyone for your responses. I'm going to talk to them more about it. I downloaded a trial of QuickBooks to see what I'm getting myself into. I will need some time with it but if some dimwit in FL can figure out how to keep track of invoices and receivables, I'm sure I can.

Hell the biggest reason I want to do this is because my current work, which is at-home transactional work as an attorney, barely takes up any of my time and I'm BORED. Hence my postcount going up on here. I will probably get my real estate license out here in another 6-8 months as well once people start buying again. Just for shits.

And Mike - That's what we sell, plastic bags! And clubs specifically designed for baby seals.
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so gf kind of tried to bring it up to dad today. he gets really huffy about it, especially when you mention that he's been giving away money for two decades. oh, turns out gf's dad already has a LOC for emergency purposes! so he doesn't even need FL man for that.

basically comes down to he is against doing this because he's friends with the guy in FL and says it's "not fair and ethical" to do it. i think the guy in FL is his friend so long as he keeps making boatloads of cash. over 18 years he's made literally a few million dollars off gf's dad....for bookkeeping. i'd be his friend to.

trying to get this done with family is likely a bad idea, but this is just too good of an opportunity to walk away from. i'll keep you guys posted.
 
by dimwit i meant the lady he pays to do this who is the source of many of the processing issues.

the guy himself is brilliant for having kept this setup going for so long.
 
do you expect to be sued or do you expect for this man to let you walk away with (what i presume is) upwards of $100k/yr in profits?
 
I use Quickbooks. It's easy and works well for my company. Granted we are still very small, who knows what my needs may be as I grow.

I'm going to look into that website above though and see if that may be a feasible option.
 
Meursault - What exactly would he be suing for? They are independant contractors with no formal agreement or non-compete provisions. Would he just sue because he's mad? What if they just used my new company for new clients?

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I congraulate you on seeing the whole picture of the situation.
I am and will always be a realtor because my clients are mine not the companies. Which is similiar to your situation and the GF and GFD. As I see it they are basically independent contractors providing a service or product for "their" clents for which the Fl guy says give me 53% of the money.
Thd GFD is to be commended for keeping his "handshake" agreement not many folks would continue to do.
Perhaps its best to wait for GFD to retire and then go ahead and drop the FL guy.
Congatulations on your impending marriage.
If you ever know of someone moving to the DFW area let me know and I will be "remember" you.
 
I would really recommend getting the advice of a good California lawyer. A couple grand, or more, now could save tens of thousands later.
 
Yeah I've already begun making some inquiries. I wouldn't think of actually stepping out there and trying to figure this out myself. I'm start enough to know that I'm not that smart
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Johnny, I have never heard of a company paying 50% or more for bookkeeping and collections. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. Geez, you could hire a fulltime bookkeeper/accountant/collector for $100k a year or less.

But on the practical side, if GFD is happy the way things are, then what are you going to do?
 
DS - Well, at the very least I can start opening GFs new accounts in a separate entity. They are independent contractors and free to contract for any company they want. So, if he wants to continue giving away HIS money, the least I can do is help my GF not give away hers.
 

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