Voter fraud commission dissolved

[Seattle Husker]

DJT signed an EO dissolving the Voter Fraud Commission that was chaired by Pence.

“Despite substantial evidence of voter fraud, many states have refused to provide the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity with basic information relevant to its inquiry,” Trump said in a statement released by the White House.

“Rather than engage in endless legal battles at taxpayer expense, today I signed an executive order to dissolve the Commission, and have asked the Department of Homeland Security to review these issues and determine next courses of action.”

They neglected to ensure the documented presence of fish when they announced their fishing expedition. Claiming there is fish then asking for all the local fisherman to show you their catch is a little backwards. In this case, many R states also said "no" to showing their catch.

Maybe this was the reason for "My button is bigger than yours!"?

 

[bystander]

Why do people get a warrant (other than the fact that it's the law)? Suspicion...

 

[Seattle Husker]

Why do people get a warrant (other than the fact that it's the law)? Suspicion...

To gain a warrant doesnt law enforcement need more than a claim? To apply that analogy here, no evidence of a crime has been presented, even moreso justification for all the PII (personally identifiable information) for voters that was requested.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Maybe this was the reason for "My button is bigger than yours!"?

 

[bystander]

To gain a warrant doesnt law enforcement need more than a claim? To apply that analogy here, no evidence of a crime has been presented, even moreso justification for all the PII (personally identifiable information) for voters that was requested.

I hear you and it looks like the states are invoking their right not to comply.

 

[UTChE96]

More nonsense and distraction by Trump. Why not just take the momentum of your victory and use it constructively. Instead he wastes valuable resources on a speculative claim only to satisfy his ego. Just cannot stop embarrassing himself.

 

[bystander]

More nonsense and distraction by Trump. Why not just take the momentum of your victory and use it constructively. Instead he wastes valuable resources on a speculative claim only to satisfy his ego. Just cannot stop embarrassing himself.

Yes and no. I don't think he's embarrassing himself because it's by design. It's causing a lot of noise and and creating questions that he wants asked by his constituency while he continues forward with his agenda. It may be an embarrassing level of political Machiavellianism but in my view the Left does the exact same thing.

 

[UTChE96]

I don't think he's embarrassing himself because it's by design. It's causing a lot of noise and and creating questions that he wants asked by his constituency while he continues forward with his agenda.

The dyed in the wool Trump supports would vote for him regardless of what he does. He needs to worry about maintaining those fickle independents and Rust belt voters that he was able to claw away from the weakest Democratic candidate since Michael Dukakis. Acting like a jackass all the time is not a great strategy to do so.

 

[bystander]

The dyed in the wool Trump supports would vote for him regardless of what he does. He needs to worry about maintaining those fickle independents and Rust belt voters that he was able to claw away from the weakest Democratic candidate since Michael Dukakis. Acting like a jackass all the time is not a great strategy to do so.

I will state for the record that I don't like the jackassery.

As for dyed in the wool Trump supporters, I'd put them in several camps:

1) Religious - I have many Latino friends in South Texas who are Catholics first and Americans second. To them, abortion is murder and homosexuality is a sin. Trump is a necessary evil for them because they say they will never vote for a Liberal and they especially hated Hillary and considered her to be a jackass in her own way. I'm not saying they are right about it; I'm just saying that's how they are.

2) The not so religious but sick of the political correctness of the Left and his unfiltered mouth turned them on. You might call these types Trump supporters as opposed to Conservatives who would never vote for a Liberal.

I'm a Democrat. I don't like the religious influence in politics. I don't like the extremes. I think the extreme Left contributed to Trump's victory by their absolute hatred of the right. I know of many Liberals on FB who are blocking their own family members if they are not echoing the hatred of Trump. It's too much. But I also know some right-wingers who say things like, "I'll never compromise with an immoral Communist."

To me, Hillary was totally dishonest. I don't understand why we can't produce better candidates who can be intellectual and brave enough to explain their positions without resorting to lies and/or character attacks. But that's our world.

 

[I35]

Acting like a jackass all the time is not a great strategy to do so.

While you focus on his jackassery (which doesn't affect us individually one bit or personally), most focus on his results with the economy, wiping out ISIS, and all the other things he did to help us forget about our last President's pathetic policies and record. His policies affect us every day in every way for the better.

We can never go back to where we just came from. Our nation couldn't have survived a 3rd term of Obama through Hillary.

 

[OUBubba]

While you focus on his jackassery (which doesn't affect us individually one bit or personally), most focus on his results with the economy, wiping out ISIS, and all the other things he did to help us forget about our last President's pathetic policies and record. His policies affect us every day in every way for the better.

We can never go back to where we just came from. Our nation couldn't have survived a 3rd term of Obama through Hillary.

The economy is on the same trendline that it was on since 2009. ISIS has been getting wiped out. The last president is 10 times the man and leader this treasonous thief is. This will dwarf Watergate before it's all said and done.

 

[iatrogenic]

The economy is on the same trendline that it was on since 2009. ISIS has been getting wiped out. The last president is 10 times the man and leader this treasonous thief is. This will dwarf Watergate before it's all said and done.

.....and Bubba is very, very smart. So there!

 

[UTChE96]

While you focus on his jackassery (which doesn't affect us individually one bit or personally), most focus on his results with the economy, wiping out ISIS, and all the other things he did to help us forget about our last President's pathetic policies and record.

I agree he has some good results but my point was that most are not focused on those good results but rather getting distracted by the jackassery. I am not sure that is debatable given the latest news cycle even on more friendly media outlets such as Fox News.

 

[Garmel]

The economy is on the same trendline that it was on since 2009. ISIS has been getting wiped out. The last president is 10 times the man and leader this treasonous thief is. This will dwarf Watergate before it's all said and done.

Whatever you're smoking I want some of it.

 

[Seattle Husker]

While you focus on his jackassery (which doesn't affect us individually one bit or personally), most focus on his results with the economy, wiping out ISIS, and all the other things he did to help us forget about our last President's pathetic policies and record. His policies affect us every day in every way for the better.

We can never go back to where we just came from. Our nation couldn't have survived a 3rd term of Obama through Hillary.

Time will tell. 3 quarters is too small a sample size.

 

[OUBubba]

Whatever you're smoking I want some of it.

Cold air, thanks to Trump! And thanks to him for that airline safety. I hear the sun's coming up a minute earlier tomorrow. He's a miracle worker! The private jet and bidet futures are probably killing it right along with Maralago stock.

 

[bystander]

Time will tell. 3 quarters is too small a sample size.

I think there have been far too many arguments on the basis of things happening on someone's watch. We all know that a tax law change such as we are now seeing will have a time lag to implement, for people to adjust their behavior and for the economy to be impacted. Of course, Trump owns this bill because he pushed for it, signed it and the time lag will all happen during his term. There is also a confidence factor though that drives our economy. I believe many prominent people on the Left were predicting financial disaster for our country if Trump won the election. The stock market is typically an indicator of public confidence and it's blowing up in a positive direction. So the dire predictions about Trump (SO FAR) were election year negative hype. But those same voices are typically continuing on with their, "Not always right but never in doubt" arrogance.

Look at Bill Clinton's effects; he signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. I recall people on the Left trying to partially blame the recession under Bush on this repeal but not once did they talk about Clinton signing it or Robert Rubin egging him on. They only wanted to blame Phil Gramm and a Republican Congress.

But later when we attacked Iraq they all blamed BUSH 100% though it was Congress that gave him the authority to do it (including Hillary who was savaged by Obama over her vote during the 2008 Democratic Primary; it's all on Youtube). Bernie voted against it and made an extremely eloquent speech about his reasoning. But then everyone on the Left anointed Hillary and looked the other way (except for Bernie supporters) while the primaries were rigged in her favor (many Super Delegates said they would vote for her regardless if Bernie won a primary).

So the point is that we need to be more rational and sophisticated in our analysis and drop the hate.

 

[OUBubba]

I think there has been far too many arguments on the basis of things happening on someone's watch. We all know that a tax law change such as we are now seeing will have a time lag to implement, for people to adjust their behavior and for the economy to be impacted. Of course, Trump owns this bill because he pushed for it, signed it and the time lag will all happen during his term. There is also a confidence factor though that drives our economy. I believe many prominent people on the Left were predicting financial disaster for our country if Trump won the election. The stock market is typically an indicator of public confidence and it's blowing up in a positive direction. So the dire predictions about Trump (SO FAR) were election year negative hype. But those same voices are typically continuing on with their, "Not always right but never in doubt" arrogance.

Look at Bill Clinton's effects; he signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. I recall people on the Left trying to partially blame the recession under Bush on this repeal but not once did they talk about Clinton signing it or Robert Rubin egging him on. They only wanted to blame Phil Gramm and a Republican Congress.

But later when we attacked Iraq they all blamed BUSH 100% though it was Congress that gave him the authority to do it (including Hillary who was savaged by Obama over her vote during the 2008 Democratic Primary; it's all on Youtube). Bernie voted against it and made an extremely eloquent speech about his reasoning. But then everyone on the Left anointed Hillary and looked the other way (except for Bernie supporters) while the primaries were rigged in her favor (many Super Delegates said they would vote for her regardless if Bernie won a primary).

So the point is that we need to be more rational and sophisticated in our analysis and drop the hate.

Or Clinton gets blamed for NAFTA yet the picture of the signing took place while GHWB was in charge. I blame them both.

 

[bystander]

Or Clinton gets blamed for NAFTA yet the picture of the signing took place while GHWB was in charge. I blame them both.

Those types of huge bills involve people on both sides. They should all be held accountable.

I still remember Ross Perot talking about that giant sucking sound.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Or Clinton gets blamed for NAFTA yet the picture of the signing took place while GHWB was in charge. I blame them both.

This is true, but I've never seen a politician take and receive from the media and the public more undeserved credit than Bill Clinton.

 

[bystander]

This is true, but I've never seen a politician take and receive from the media and the public more undeserved credit than Bill Clinton.

In my view, Clinton received the windfall of several major factors:

1) The peace dividend from the end of the Cold War
2) The Industrial Revolution of the 90's (the internet build-out, the .com boom and Y2K)
3) The explosive growth of companies such as Dell along with the Enrons, World.com and others whose stock prices skyrocketed in the 90's (filling the government coffers with tax revenue) and later failed on or just before Bush came into office (which brings up the timing factor of the economy and when the good or the bad actually happens).

I'd like to hear the argument connecting Clinton's economic policy with what happened back then. And no, I'm not going to snicker about Gore supposedly inventing the internet. I do get that he was enthusiastic about it but so was everyone else.

 

[Mr. Deez]

In my view, Clinton received the windfall of several major factors:

1) The peace dividend from the end of the Cold War
2) The Industrial Revolution of the 90's (the internet build-out, the .com boom and Y2K)
3) The explosive growth of companies such as Dell along with the Enrons, World.com and others whose stock prices skyrocketed in the 90's (filling the government coffers with tax revenue) and later failed on or just before Bush came into office (which brings up the timing factor of the economy and when the good or the bad actually happens).

I'd like to hear the argument connecting Clinton's economic policy with what happened back then. And no, I'm not going to snicker about Gore supposedly inventing the internet. I do get that he was enthusiastic about it but so was everyone else.

Yep. In addition, he was able to claim the US had a terrible economy going into Election Day in 1992, even though the recession had been over for a long time, so that Bush 41 would get no credit for it. Furthermore, he was able to do the reverse - claim to have a roaring economy into 2000 even though it was slowing down, so Bush 43 would be blamed.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I agree he has some good results but my point was that most are not focused on those good results but rather getting distracted by the jackassery. I am not sure that is debatable given the latest news cycle even on more friendly media outlets such as Fox News.

That's the sad thing. He has some some good things, but it's hard for him to keep people focused on them, because he's tripping over his own dick every five minutes.

 

[bystander]

That's the sad thing. He has some some good things, but it's hard for him to keep people focused on them, because he's tripping over his own dick every five minutes.

His ego is unfiltered. He's combative and we probably knew that going in. I don't know if he's a liar or if he believes all this stuff and is not going to take it. He gets way too far into the weeds. But I do understand (or feel that I do) that some of his comments are based upon the political knife fight and at times may seem ludicrous but he's talking to the elites when he speaks and he's responding to the demagoguery. I'm not trying to take up for him. I just think there's more to it than meets the eye.

But he just attacked the Kaepernick's of the world and I think that was a mistake. It's dying down. Nobody cares and now he ripped the wound right open.

 

[bystander]

Yep. In addition, he was able to claim the US had a terrible economy going into Election Day in 1992, even though the recession had been over for a long time, so that Bush 41 would get no credit for it. Furthermore, he was able to do the reverse - claim to have a roaring economy into 2000 even though it was slowing down, so Bush 43 would be blamed.

The economy was definitely dropping after the go go 90's imploded. Clinton took a snap-shot in time and removed the downward arrows from the graph.

It's like Mack Brown (oh no; I'm going there). The arrow was trending down. I don't think he left a cake for Charlie. But some folks want to talk about how we would have won the Big 12 had we beaten Baylor which I believe is true but that is a simplistic view of the status of the program. Again, it was a snapshot of a point in time without the view of the arrow.

Have you ever seen a graph over a long period of time then have someone focus on a short period of time (either trending up or down) and make that short period of time appear as the entire graph? It really changes the perspective. And it's misleading.

"There are lies, damn lies and statistics."

Who said that? Benjamin Disraeli?

 

[bystander]

Sorry for spamming the board. In my view, BOTH SIDES know each other is lying. If you stay in the world long enough it has an effect on you and lying becomes normal. It's just another tool. So is accusing each other of lying. Trump may lie, but he's talking to a different audience and fighting a different group of people than what we are doing on here.

Hopefully we are all honest and our disagreements are values related backed with facts that a reasonable person can understand even if they don't agree entirely. I want to be honest. I want to be able to say, that was good policy by Obama or that was good policy by Trump without worrying about some extremists attacking me.

 

[Seattle Husker]

I think there have been far too many arguments on the basis of things happening on someone's watch. We all know that a tax law change such as we are now seeing will have a time lag to implement, for people to adjust their behavior and for the economy to be impacted. Of course, Trump owns this bill because he pushed for it, signed it and the time lag will all happen during his term. There is also a confidence factor though that drives our economy. I believe many prominent people on the Left were predicting financial disaster for our country if Trump won the election. The stock market is typically an indicator of public confidence and it's blowing up in a positive direction. So the dire predictions about Trump (SO FAR) were election year negative hype. But those same voices are typically continuing on with their, "Not always right but never in doubt" arrogance.

Look at Bill Clinton's effects; he signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. I recall people on the Left trying to partially blame the recession under Bush on this repeal but not once did they talk about Clinton signing it or Robert Rubin egging him on. They only wanted to blame Phil Gramm and a Republican Congress.

But later when we attacked Iraq they all blamed BUSH 100% though it was Congress that gave him the authority to do it (including Hillary who was savaged by Obama over her vote during the 2008 Democratic Primary; it's all on Youtube). Bernie voted against it and made an extremely eloquent speech about his reasoning. But then everyone on the Left anointed Hillary and looked the other way (except for Bernie supporters) while the primaries were rigged in her favor (many Super Delegates said they would vote for her regardless if Bernie won a primary).

So the point is that we need to be more rational and sophisticated in our analysis and drop the hate.

In my defense, I was posting the economic picture that simply shows it isn't all Trump roses now after the Obama rain showers. I've been arguing for more nuanced analyses of economic discussions for awhile so I applaud your attempt at rationality.

 

[Clean]

I don't think there is any denying that Trump has turned around people's perceptions of how the economy is doing. He has created a very positive atmosphere and certainly the stock market has responded.

Obama was a negative nelly who was all about piling more regulations on businesses, almost in a punitive way. Trump is about unfettering them so that they can thrive. Seems to be working. My 401k is happy.

 

[I35]

Can you imagine you’re at your gym and deciding to run to the store from there as fast as you can to beat your record? Ready, set, go...... you go jump on the treadmill and run as fast as you can to the store.

This is exactly what obama did. He spent more money to stimulate the economy more than all Presidents put together only to place regulations on the businesses. That’s spinning your wheels and not going anywhere. Yes I know, he didn’t have a clue of even the basics of economics.

 

[bystander]

Can you imagine you’re at your gym and deciding to run to the store from there as fast as you can to beat your record? Ready, set, go...... you go jump on the treadmill and run as fast as you can to the store.

This is exactly what obama did. He spent more money to stimulate the economy more than all Presidents put together only to place regulations on the businesses. That’s spinning your wheels and not going anywhere. Yes I know, he didn’t have a clue of even the basics of economics.

That's basically what I thought; he financed the positive metrics (and managed to have Obamacare passed thanks to Roberts ruling that the individual mandate was a tax thus making it Constitutional even though Obama argued vehemently during the bill passage that it was not a tax; it's all on Youtube). The national debt of course is comprised of many items but the recession for lack of a better word was a total stimulus without structural change; the only way out is for the private sector to spawn a new industrial revolution.