Vince Young questions

Black Ninja

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O.K. I just got finished reading some F'd up articles and comments about Vince, some of it stemming from the previous season, some of it stemming from him going back to school.

There seems to be a consensus out there that VY cannot read a defense to save his life. As a Texas fan AND a VY fan I call BS on that. HOWEVER, after all the crap I've read I have to ask the question to the resident experts.

Was it truly the case that the offense was simplified for Vince or is it the case that some people (Hoge) really can't tell the difference between a pass play and a DRAW play (and automatically assumed that he was a run first type guy)?

Another question I have is if Vince is truly nothing more than an athletic freak that can leap tall buildings and etc., what led to him leading the nation in passing efficiency and how did he manage to throw for 3,000 yards? Did he manage this w/ his feet or the threat of his feet alone???

Next question I have is related to the idea that NFL defenses has caught up to what Vince can do. I know that the NFL is a 24/7 operation and they spend a lot of time on this, but come the F on man, college coordinators aren't idiots. They actually see a VARIETY of offenses and personnel throughout a season, and have to prepare accordingly. Do you really think that coordinators in the NFL can come up with a gameplan to stop VY where college coordinators cannot?
Hell, maybe they can.

Which leads to my next question.....how much control of the Titans offense did VY have control over in the first place??? One of the things I hate the most about football is how such ridiculous crap gets put on the QB. I read alot of stuff about Tennessee running a lot of screens and VERY GD like short passes because that was the only pass that VY could complete. And of course there's the "bruising" run game of the Titans that was there to "compensate" for Vince. Did VY really have the chance to audible, change protections, etc. or did he simply have to run the play that was called?

Anyway, I'm getting away from my central question...was the TEXAS offense simplified? Why was it the case that even before he took a NFL snap was he pegged with not being able to read defense? And whether the Texas offense was simplified or not, did Mack Brown do a diservice to Vince by proclaiming it to the national media that "he just let Vince be Vince"? Now MY uninformed take on that was that Mack Brown was just doing his simple folksy coachspeak meant to be complimentary to Vince's talent. However it seems the media vultures (Hoge and others) has taken it to mean that VY cannot play the QB position, and Mack Brown STILL cannot coach.

I know it's all opinion anyway but I want to hear answers from the good people here about this. It seems that my opinion of VY is in the minority.
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Look, VY is making a ton of cash, so do not pity him too much.

He is surrounded by crap. It will be difficult for anyone to be in a system with a predictable running game and no WR threats. Getting rid of Chow might help. But we shall see.

Just my opinion though..
 
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Or was it

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I don't remember. Bottom line, people (me included) said that Eli Manning sucked and would never get it. Hell, lots of people said that Peyton would never win it all before last year. If the Titans make improvements Vince can hoist the trophy. The naysayers will shut their trap then.
 
What I remember during the Vince years was him playing "basketball on grass". He used fakes, pump fakes, look-offs, etc. to outwit the other team. In addition, when he was moving around in the pocket, rolling out, etc. the other team, including DB's, had to be cognizant of the fact that he may run which took their mind off of 100% coverage.

What I saw last year from the Titans was your everyday, stand in the pocket, passer. Not sure if that was Vince trying to prove something or by design and coaching. In the Super Bowl we saw what happens to even the best QB and offense when you have a great defense. And the Titans have a sub-par offense.

I would like to see an offensive gameplan involving Vince moving around much more, creating opportunities by moving the pocket, threatening the run, etc. If the defense is constantly in "chase" mode they will be gassed lated in the game.

Summary...I think Vince can be awesome if given some decent players and a gameplan that optimizes his abilities. There are some haters out there with Hoge at the front who, for whatever reason, want to tear the guy down and see him fail. I don't understand the motivation.
 
Vince was in his 3rd year of college before he really started to shine. He will be going into his 3rd year of the NFL with one ROY and one Pro Bowl. I would not bet against the man. Hoge should let his Mommy dress him.
 
The only question about Vince Young is whether he is human or not? I am thuroughly convinced he is not, and so are most of the 2005 Trojans
 
To clarify...when I say "basketball" I mean the look-offs, pump-and-go, ball fakes, etc. which keep the opponent guessing. And while there may have been few called roll-outs at Texas Vince certainly did not stand still in the pocket while it collapsed. He definitely rolled right or left to create space and then found his TE or WR.

Maybe I underestimate the pro game but this is what seemed missing from the Titans last year.
 
If Vince Young can't read defenses then a lot of college coaches should be fired for being ******* idiots. How do you let a QB who can't read a defense put away games by halftime and score fifty points per game!?
 
Let me pose the question this way.....when the word "simplify" is bandied about around here, are we talking about a reduction in the number of plays used in a game or are we talking about simplified "reads" within each play? Does that make sense?

If the first that just seems like that would make sense for ANY offense, do you need 300 different plays to be sucessful???? If the latter, 3000 yards and the ball being spread around so much seems like a lot for "simple" plays. Whether Texas is using 50 different plays a game or 20, does that really have any bearing on VY's ability to read a defense???
 
Sounds like Black Ninja needs a little pick-me-up motivator. Where's the Youtube video of Hoge vs. Vince set to the tune of "Don't Believe the Hype"? That should set things back into proper perspective.
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