Bevo1970
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This post was made just before going to the new 2015 platform. Post as normal after it if you wish.
Horn6721
(10,000+ posts)
02/11/15 10:37 AM
US Embassy in Yemen
from CNN link
"
Sanaa, Yemen (CNN)—Houthi rebels took all U.S. Embassy vehicles parked at the Yemeni capital's airport and wouldn't allow departing U.S. Marines to take their weapons with them, a top airport official in Sanaa said Wednesday.
The actions come after the United States, along with Britain, suspended operations at their respective embassies and moved out staffers because of the instability in the Arab nation.
According to the official, the Houthis seized many U.S. Marines' weapons at the airport and the American troops also handed over some to random airport officials.
Yemeni employees at the American Embassy in Sanaa also said that embassy officials burned tens of thousands of documents Tuesday night and destroyed weapons that were inside the embassy's storage warehouses.
edition.cnn.com/2015/02/11/middleeast/yemen-unrest/
This is pretty amazing, that we apparently didn't have contingency plans for this kind of action( to render any vehicles unusable, to expose our marines like that)>
Oh wait I forgot. Yemen was a success story, secure and safety of our embassy.
BO in Sept
" Talking about the threat posed by the Islamic State, Obama pointed toward Yemen and Somalia as possible examples:
This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out [the Islamic State] wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years."
The Link
and this is what many including people at waPO thought back then
"Even back then, many who knew the situation in Yemen questioned that logic. My colleague Ishaan Tharoor argued that Yemen was an example of "U.S. mission creep, not success," and that the threat posed by AQAP was still very real (after AQAP claimed to be behind the high-profile attacks in Paris this month, that point grew stronger). "Very few people who are not part of the administration consider either of those cases a success," the Guardian's Spencer Ackerman wrote.
.
Someone asked what should be done instead of just criticizing this ignorant POS
How about listening to people in DOD CIA etc and not automatically rejecting their opinions in favor of the Susan Rice's etc?
Is there anyone on this board who thought back in Sept that, oh yea Yemen is a success story. How many would have AT LEAST made sure our Embassy was secure and there were plans for successful evac?
Seattle Husker
(5000+ posts)
02/11/15 11:11 AM
Re: US Embassy in Yemen
Wait...they weren't evacuated? It looks to me like they were evacuated, at least the article you posted says they were. Isn't that a success? They destroyed the documents and the weapons stores. So they had their small arms and vehicles taken at the airport. Did you expect them to take the vehicles with them? I suspect they never intended to take them. Losing the small arms...meh. Again, based on that article they were evacuated successfully.
On what to do in Yemen. You didn't offer an alternate solution. You never do. Nothing you posted offers an alternate solution to the drone strikes and partnering with the locals. What specifically was recommended by the DOD and not followed?
Horn6721
(10,000+ posts)
02/11/15 12:11 PM
Re: US Embassy in Yemen
Husker
I used the words successful evacuation.
Do You think it was successful?
do you think having our Marines confronted by islamists and their weapons taken away is a successful evacuation?
How about leaving usuable vehicles behind?
What would I have done? I would have made sure contingency plans were in place for Yemen and any embassy in that area. It isn't like this Embassy hasn't taken fire before OR that we have never had a consul in that region attacked.
as far as what people at the DOD CIA have said there are many
but here are 3 pretty prominent ones who have spoken out pretty harshly- Gates Panetta Flynn. You can easily google etc it and get many links
here is one from General Flynn. read in particular the comment by the article author The Link
"It is striking to me how many security officials have gone public against this administration after leaving. This is not a normal pattern, and by this point amounts to a non-partisan indictment of how Obama’s White House has dealt with a variety of national security issues. Among other things, it makes me appreciate the restraint that the current chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, must be exercising on a daily basis."
Of course you can say we don't know for sure any of these people spoke out to BO. We only have their word.
Would you really believe people who had been in the service of our country for decades woul all of them lie?
Seattle Husker
(5000+ posts)
02/11/15 04:12 PM
Re: US Embassy in Yemen
In reply to:
but here are 3 pretty prominent ones who have spoken out pretty harshly- Gates Panetta Flynn. You can easily google etc it and get many links
LOL. You couldn't bring yourself to mention former Sec. of State Clinton in that list that you took from this article.
In reply to:
Flynn’s comments echo calls by other former Obama administration officials like former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, and former CIA Director and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta who all say they urged more intervention earlier in the Syrian conflict.
You should also mention that this is Flynn's position:
In reply to:
Recently retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn called for the U.S. to lead the charge in a sweeping, decades-long campaign against the Islamic State group, al Qaeda, and its ilk—a fight like the one against the former Soviet Union—against a new enemy he said is “committed to the destruction of freedom and the American way of life.”
Though I think that is where we'll end up, how willing to you think the American population is to sign up for that? Heck, we have partisan alignment NOT to put boots on the ground against ISIS. Rather, it's easier to say that others have different ideas, ideas that they don't have to carry out because they have retired and now get paid by the speaking engagement or to make commentary.
Horn6721
(10,000+ posts)
02/11/15 05:01 PM
Re: US Embassy in Yemen
Husker
??
I honestly did not see Clinton's name in the link I provided. But I am more than happy to add her to the list.
Honestly was that something to criticize ? I will go back and read my link again to see her name but YES Clinton is added to the list.
Bevo Incognito
(1000+ Posts)
02/11/15 06:12 PM
Re: US Embassy in Yemen
In reply to:
What would I have done? I would have made sure contingency plans were in place for Yemen and any embassy in that area
Contingency plans to do what?
This post was made just before going to the new 2015 platform. Post as normal after it if you wish.
Horn6721
(10,000+ posts)
02/11/15 10:37 AM
US Embassy in Yemen
from CNN link
"
Sanaa, Yemen (CNN)—Houthi rebels took all U.S. Embassy vehicles parked at the Yemeni capital's airport and wouldn't allow departing U.S. Marines to take their weapons with them, a top airport official in Sanaa said Wednesday.
The actions come after the United States, along with Britain, suspended operations at their respective embassies and moved out staffers because of the instability in the Arab nation.
According to the official, the Houthis seized many U.S. Marines' weapons at the airport and the American troops also handed over some to random airport officials.
Yemeni employees at the American Embassy in Sanaa also said that embassy officials burned tens of thousands of documents Tuesday night and destroyed weapons that were inside the embassy's storage warehouses.
edition.cnn.com/2015/02/11/middleeast/yemen-unrest/
This is pretty amazing, that we apparently didn't have contingency plans for this kind of action( to render any vehicles unusable, to expose our marines like that)>
Oh wait I forgot. Yemen was a success story, secure and safety of our embassy.
BO in Sept
" Talking about the threat posed by the Islamic State, Obama pointed toward Yemen and Somalia as possible examples:
This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out [the Islamic State] wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years."
The Link
and this is what many including people at waPO thought back then
"Even back then, many who knew the situation in Yemen questioned that logic. My colleague Ishaan Tharoor argued that Yemen was an example of "U.S. mission creep, not success," and that the threat posed by AQAP was still very real (after AQAP claimed to be behind the high-profile attacks in Paris this month, that point grew stronger). "Very few people who are not part of the administration consider either of those cases a success," the Guardian's Spencer Ackerman wrote.
.
Someone asked what should be done instead of just criticizing this ignorant POS
How about listening to people in DOD CIA etc and not automatically rejecting their opinions in favor of the Susan Rice's etc?
Is there anyone on this board who thought back in Sept that, oh yea Yemen is a success story. How many would have AT LEAST made sure our Embassy was secure and there were plans for successful evac?
Seattle Husker
(5000+ posts)
02/11/15 11:11 AM
Re: US Embassy in Yemen
Wait...they weren't evacuated? It looks to me like they were evacuated, at least the article you posted says they were. Isn't that a success? They destroyed the documents and the weapons stores. So they had their small arms and vehicles taken at the airport. Did you expect them to take the vehicles with them? I suspect they never intended to take them. Losing the small arms...meh. Again, based on that article they were evacuated successfully.
On what to do in Yemen. You didn't offer an alternate solution. You never do. Nothing you posted offers an alternate solution to the drone strikes and partnering with the locals. What specifically was recommended by the DOD and not followed?
Horn6721
(10,000+ posts)
02/11/15 12:11 PM
Re: US Embassy in Yemen
Husker
I used the words successful evacuation.
Do You think it was successful?
do you think having our Marines confronted by islamists and their weapons taken away is a successful evacuation?
How about leaving usuable vehicles behind?
What would I have done? I would have made sure contingency plans were in place for Yemen and any embassy in that area. It isn't like this Embassy hasn't taken fire before OR that we have never had a consul in that region attacked.
as far as what people at the DOD CIA have said there are many
but here are 3 pretty prominent ones who have spoken out pretty harshly- Gates Panetta Flynn. You can easily google etc it and get many links
here is one from General Flynn. read in particular the comment by the article author The Link
"It is striking to me how many security officials have gone public against this administration after leaving. This is not a normal pattern, and by this point amounts to a non-partisan indictment of how Obama’s White House has dealt with a variety of national security issues. Among other things, it makes me appreciate the restraint that the current chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, must be exercising on a daily basis."
Of course you can say we don't know for sure any of these people spoke out to BO. We only have their word.
Would you really believe people who had been in the service of our country for decades woul all of them lie?
Seattle Husker
(5000+ posts)
02/11/15 04:12 PM
Re: US Embassy in Yemen
In reply to:
but here are 3 pretty prominent ones who have spoken out pretty harshly- Gates Panetta Flynn. You can easily google etc it and get many links
LOL. You couldn't bring yourself to mention former Sec. of State Clinton in that list that you took from this article.
In reply to:
Flynn’s comments echo calls by other former Obama administration officials like former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, and former CIA Director and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta who all say they urged more intervention earlier in the Syrian conflict.
You should also mention that this is Flynn's position:
In reply to:
Recently retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn called for the U.S. to lead the charge in a sweeping, decades-long campaign against the Islamic State group, al Qaeda, and its ilk—a fight like the one against the former Soviet Union—against a new enemy he said is “committed to the destruction of freedom and the American way of life.”
Though I think that is where we'll end up, how willing to you think the American population is to sign up for that? Heck, we have partisan alignment NOT to put boots on the ground against ISIS. Rather, it's easier to say that others have different ideas, ideas that they don't have to carry out because they have retired and now get paid by the speaking engagement or to make commentary.
Horn6721
(10,000+ posts)
02/11/15 05:01 PM
Re: US Embassy in Yemen
Husker
??
I honestly did not see Clinton's name in the link I provided. But I am more than happy to add her to the list.
Honestly was that something to criticize ? I will go back and read my link again to see her name but YES Clinton is added to the list.
Bevo Incognito
(1000+ Posts)
02/11/15 06:12 PM
Re: US Embassy in Yemen
In reply to:
What would I have done? I would have made sure contingency plans were in place for Yemen and any embassy in that area
Contingency plans to do what?
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