Trevor Knight Decommits From aggy
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Bevo Incognito
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Didn't realize it was already Aggie decommit season.
please pardon my snippy attitude, but you peckerheads aren't looking at this right.
the word some weeks ago from the sooners was that dorial green-beckham and top qb gunner kiel were very seriously considering playing together, and it looked to be rapidly coming to a head between their going to oklahoma, alabama, or (a weaker maybe) to indiana.
there was a surprise last-minute visit of dorial and his family to norman, almost immediately followed by a visit to norman by kiel and maybe his family, too. i mean it looked like a firm decision was close and they wanted a last look at ou to be sure.
then came the word that dorial and his family wanted to see us and soon if not sooner. it was almost breathtaking to go from being a faint consideration to having them on campus in what seemed to be no time at all. not that that meant all that much concerning us, but just that it, here again, looked like they wanted to get the i's dotted right away and settle this thing.
they really liked what they saw here, apparently, and now we're hearing the beckhams aren't planning to make any decisions until they can see how some programs they are interested in perform under some new coaching. not just us but others also.
ou was still hopeful for the kiel/dg-b package until today, i think, but with their winking at trevor and saying "c'mon, big boy," ou has signaled that the kiel sweepstakes is apparently over for them. and with it goes their kiel/dg-b package.
now, this doesn't mean that dorial is not considering ou anymore. just that the big attraction of teaming with kiel there is no longer a factor, it appears. in other words, ou's position might have taken something of a hit, and if so, it probably means the possibility of teaming with kiel at bama, the possibility of coming here, and that of going to mizzou just went up a bit.
this trevor knight to ou story has some importance to us beyond a good qb changing where we are going to have to beat him.
the word some weeks ago from the sooners was that dorial green-beckham and top qb gunner kiel were very seriously considering playing together, and it looked to be rapidly coming to a head between their going to oklahoma, alabama, or (a weaker maybe) to indiana.
there was a surprise last-minute visit of dorial and his family to norman, almost immediately followed by a visit to norman by kiel and maybe his family, too. i mean it looked like a firm decision was close and they wanted a last look at ou to be sure.
then came the word that dorial and his family wanted to see us and soon if not sooner. it was almost breathtaking to go from being a faint consideration to having them on campus in what seemed to be no time at all. not that that meant all that much concerning us, but just that it, here again, looked like they wanted to get the i's dotted right away and settle this thing.
they really liked what they saw here, apparently, and now we're hearing the beckhams aren't planning to make any decisions until they can see how some programs they are interested in perform under some new coaching. not just us but others also.
ou was still hopeful for the kiel/dg-b package until today, i think, but with their winking at trevor and saying "c'mon, big boy," ou has signaled that the kiel sweepstakes is apparently over for them. and with it goes their kiel/dg-b package.
now, this doesn't mean that dorial is not considering ou anymore. just that the big attraction of teaming with kiel there is no longer a factor, it appears. in other words, ou's position might have taken something of a hit, and if so, it probably means the possibility of teaming with kiel at bama, the possibility of coming here, and that of going to mizzou just went up a bit.
this trevor knight to ou story has some importance to us beyond a good qb changing where we are going to have to beat him.
forgot. i read recently that the beckhams are also considering the piggies at fayetteville, so we can speculate that their odds may have just gone up a bit, too.
update:
over on the sooner boards the speculation is that indiana may get kiel. indiana is his home state. that may be wishful thinking since the sooners don't want to see bama get him, and also indiana is coached now by an ex-ou coach.
a couple of moderators (i think) say they don't think ou got bad news but just that they weren't confident and didn't want to be left with nobody if this drags out. if so, then i don't imagine kiel is leaning very strongly any direction right now, though he might soon if he wasn't expecting the sooners to bolt. he won't want to be left holding the bag either.
i also wonder if this means that indiana is a potential home for dorial if kiel goes there. the sooners don't seem to want to speculate on dorial other than his bopping down to norman. but this could be one of the schools that the beckhams want to see how the new coaching goes.
update:
over on the sooner boards the speculation is that indiana may get kiel. indiana is his home state. that may be wishful thinking since the sooners don't want to see bama get him, and also indiana is coached now by an ex-ou coach.
a couple of moderators (i think) say they don't think ou got bad news but just that they weren't confident and didn't want to be left with nobody if this drags out. if so, then i don't imagine kiel is leaning very strongly any direction right now, though he might soon if he wasn't expecting the sooners to bolt. he won't want to be left holding the bag either.
i also wonder if this means that indiana is a potential home for dorial if kiel goes there. the sooners don't seem to want to speculate on dorial other than his bopping down to norman. but this could be one of the schools that the beckhams want to see how the new coaching goes.
Uninformed
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Indiana is pretty close to DGB (400mi) and I would rather him go there if he is not coming to UT. Mizzou would be okay and would help the conference so it wouldn't be a bad choice, either. Arky has a good offense but their coach, while being very good at his job, is a prick. OU and Alabama - enough said.
PropositionJoe
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this isnt all that surprising. we're getting crowded at the QB spot right now, and we're in a good spot for kohl stewart in 2013.
as indicated earlier, kiel is likely headed to either indiana or bama. ou needed a QB.
A&M was a fallback option for knight after he didnt get an offer from the horns, and after TCU picked up their 1st option too. When matt davis committed to us, i think knight, despite his comments about welcoming competition, was looking around.
not surprising, and while still a loss, it's not a huge loss. best of luck to him.
as indicated earlier, kiel is likely headed to either indiana or bama. ou needed a QB.
A&M was a fallback option for knight after he didnt get an offer from the horns, and after TCU picked up their 1st option too. When matt davis committed to us, i think knight, despite his comments about welcoming competition, was looking around.
not surprising, and while still a loss, it's not a huge loss. best of luck to him.
no, this isn't surprising except, perhaps, the timing. if it's going to happen, it's going to happen at some point, but i think all — including most sooner fans — are a bit startled that it happened now. looking around the sooner boards, i see a lot of smiling faces, but the disappointment at giving up on kiel is clearly there, and some come right out and say it. one of the difficult things about being a sooner is that the coachspeak can be so thorough up there at times that something like this can be very startling. one guy compared trevor favorably with colt, which i think the rest of the conference has to hope is not too accurate. except i think we want that program strong. when we beat them we want it to matter, and, to my mind, the worst thing you can do to a person is make his or her life easy. it's struggling that makes you strong and forces you to become somebody.
knight had a very difficult joust ahead of him if he hoped to unseat matt davis, so it isn't surprising that he responded to that clarion call. of course, the comparison with colt takes a hit, though, because colt didn't care who is ahead of him. not then and not now. but trevor might have been in a situation with davis where he couldn't beat him out regardless of what he did. the ags are big on copying. several poor devils there after ricky left had the unfortunate task of being their ricky. same with ced and others, and, just like ohio state parting with whatever it took to get their vince after experiencing the real thing, the ags are probably seeing davis as another vince already. maybe not the staff, but fan and school expectations are very real and can exact a very real toll. if we expect something, we can be fractious if that something doesn't happen.
make no mistake, though, matt davis and trevor knight are very competent and competitive players. both programs will be served well if these two guys take their reins at some point, and regarding knight and kiel, just remember that if that 5-star perrilloux kid didn't pan out for us, well, we had a good shot at bringing in jevan snead the next year, and, of course, we had some kid named mccoy. ha! wonder if he is the real mccoy. ha, ha, ha. *spoken with a self-satisfied smirk, plainly sure that no one has ever thought to say that.*
knight had a very difficult joust ahead of him if he hoped to unseat matt davis, so it isn't surprising that he responded to that clarion call. of course, the comparison with colt takes a hit, though, because colt didn't care who is ahead of him. not then and not now. but trevor might have been in a situation with davis where he couldn't beat him out regardless of what he did. the ags are big on copying. several poor devils there after ricky left had the unfortunate task of being their ricky. same with ced and others, and, just like ohio state parting with whatever it took to get their vince after experiencing the real thing, the ags are probably seeing davis as another vince already. maybe not the staff, but fan and school expectations are very real and can exact a very real toll. if we expect something, we can be fractious if that something doesn't happen.
make no mistake, though, matt davis and trevor knight are very competent and competitive players. both programs will be served well if these two guys take their reins at some point, and regarding knight and kiel, just remember that if that 5-star perrilloux kid didn't pan out for us, well, we had a good shot at bringing in jevan snead the next year, and, of course, we had some kid named mccoy. ha! wonder if he is the real mccoy. ha, ha, ha. *spoken with a self-satisfied smirk, plainly sure that no one has ever thought to say that.*
you know, i am suddenly very sorry that kiel didn't make the oregon weekend. sure would have liked to see how he stacks up in that setting. anybody know of another place he went? not really the elite 11 stuff. that's too artificial a setting to be like the 7-on-7 competition, though that's a pretty artificial imitation of real football, too. at least the competitiveness there is real, though, and involves pretty hefty teamwork and does involve throwing against kids with names like agholor and collins.
i'd like to get a clearer picture of just who kiel is.
i'd like to get a clearer picture of just who kiel is.
wow. i just got back from surveying a few sooner boards, and i must say i found out a few things that i had no idea about.
did you know that josh heuple only found two qb's in the whole country that he felt were up to his standards? i didn't know that. apparently he liked one of them just a hair better than the other, and they decided to try for him even though he was 700 miles away. that is really too far for a kid to be going off to school, i learned, and they very sadly had to drop him for his sake. it was hard, but sometimes you just have to do the right thing. like letting a kid go who receives money for work he didn't do and who didn't live up to his 5-star rating and, worse still, along with his dad, became a cancer in the huddle. it's hard, but you just have to do it for the good of all. you have to do it while you still can.
but this 700 miles. that's just too much, but too little is almost as bad. in fact, a study shows that there is a perfect distance for a youngster to go off to school and that is 304 miles, which, to give you an idea of how far that is, is approximately the driving distance from, oh, the norman campus to springfield, mo. the farther you get away from that ideal, either way, the worse it is for you.
so, as i said, they regrettably turned away from the very slightly better choice to the only other qb prospect in the nation that truly measures up, and he is only 445 miles away, which, for qbs, happens to be a very good distance.
i can't tell you how it humbles me to know we have such fine-spirited brethren in our conference. honestly, i had no idea.
did you know that josh heuple only found two qb's in the whole country that he felt were up to his standards? i didn't know that. apparently he liked one of them just a hair better than the other, and they decided to try for him even though he was 700 miles away. that is really too far for a kid to be going off to school, i learned, and they very sadly had to drop him for his sake. it was hard, but sometimes you just have to do the right thing. like letting a kid go who receives money for work he didn't do and who didn't live up to his 5-star rating and, worse still, along with his dad, became a cancer in the huddle. it's hard, but you just have to do it for the good of all. you have to do it while you still can.
but this 700 miles. that's just too much, but too little is almost as bad. in fact, a study shows that there is a perfect distance for a youngster to go off to school and that is 304 miles, which, to give you an idea of how far that is, is approximately the driving distance from, oh, the norman campus to springfield, mo. the farther you get away from that ideal, either way, the worse it is for you.
so, as i said, they regrettably turned away from the very slightly better choice to the only other qb prospect in the nation that truly measures up, and he is only 445 miles away, which, for qbs, happens to be a very good distance.
i can't tell you how it humbles me to know we have such fine-spirited brethren in our conference. honestly, i had no idea.
TigerPride
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We are loaded at QB for the next few years. Thompson will redshirt and we could end up with Archie Bradley down the road. I'd be okay if we didn't take a QB this year, but the Knight kid is highly thought of by the coaching staff so welcome to Norman, Trevor.
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Geez, glenn, you sure went fishing with all those posts. Unfortunately for you, no Sooner took the bait.
As to the Knight news, either Kiel told the coaches he was down to Indiana and Alabama, or they got the message w/o explicit word from Kiel. I'm not sure the truth of it, but I do think Heupel was concerned about losing out on a great prospect in Knight and being left w/a "plan C" option.
We get the impression Kiel was ours if distance wasn't such a determining factor. Indiana is going to get him, I think, which is hilarious to me. Kid could've gone to ND (his uncle played there), but he was turned off by Kelly for some reason. I guess Michigan wasn't an option, either. He'll definitely be the centerpiece of what Wilson is doing in Bloomington, if he does end up there. His big brother is already at IU.
I don't think DGB was ever tight w/Kiel. Likewise, I don't think he's tight w/Maty Mauk, which is the silliness Mizzou fans are currently parroting. DGB will go where he's most comfortable, which is true for about 99% of these kids. I like our chances, but haven't a clue how it will play out.
As quickly as Knight committed, though, it looks like we could've slow-played him even further, but what would be the point in stringing him along? He wasn't a total surprise, as Heupel had done some eval work on him back in the spring. His sophomore numbers aren't that great, but given his film and offer sheet, he must be a legit high-major prospect.
I do see the Colt comparisons, truthfully. He has great instincts in the pocket and super accuracy. He's a good athlete, but looks to throw before tucking and running for yardage. He has a stronger arm than Colt and is a little bigger, but everything else compares favorably, IMO.
As to the Knight news, either Kiel told the coaches he was down to Indiana and Alabama, or they got the message w/o explicit word from Kiel. I'm not sure the truth of it, but I do think Heupel was concerned about losing out on a great prospect in Knight and being left w/a "plan C" option.
We get the impression Kiel was ours if distance wasn't such a determining factor. Indiana is going to get him, I think, which is hilarious to me. Kid could've gone to ND (his uncle played there), but he was turned off by Kelly for some reason. I guess Michigan wasn't an option, either. He'll definitely be the centerpiece of what Wilson is doing in Bloomington, if he does end up there. His big brother is already at IU.
I don't think DGB was ever tight w/Kiel. Likewise, I don't think he's tight w/Maty Mauk, which is the silliness Mizzou fans are currently parroting. DGB will go where he's most comfortable, which is true for about 99% of these kids. I like our chances, but haven't a clue how it will play out.
As quickly as Knight committed, though, it looks like we could've slow-played him even further, but what would be the point in stringing him along? He wasn't a total surprise, as Heupel had done some eval work on him back in the spring. His sophomore numbers aren't that great, but given his film and offer sheet, he must be a legit high-major prospect.
I do see the Colt comparisons, truthfully. He has great instincts in the pocket and super accuracy. He's a good athlete, but looks to throw before tucking and running for yardage. He has a stronger arm than Colt and is a little bigger, but everything else compares favorably, IMO.
hi, inch-an-ear.
no, i wasn't fishing. i don't like to fight fights on the internet. nobody wins but the advertisers.
interesting you comment on trevor's accuracy because that's the one thing i've been hearing where he isn't much like colt. i guess if he sets the ncaa record for completion percentage we'll know you heard right. i think i saw that he had 11 passing td's last year, so i'm guessing the offense he runs isn't that pass-friendly. if he's super-accurate, his coach is dopey or he can't find anybody who can catch the ball or something.
make no mistake, though, the word i've gotten for the most part is that trevor is a good qb, but i think he's been viewed more like james street than colt mccoy, if we're going to compare with a texas qb. boy, would i love to have another james street. that man didn't know how to lose. anyway, i understand trevor is a fine running qb. i'm wondering if what i hear is right that maybe you guys see him in a wildcat role. let another of your qb's be the regular gunslinger. unless what i'm hearing isn't right, of course. maybe you guys reprise the wishbone? that would give us fits.
do you know if he was in oregon this past weekend, and, if so, what word filtered out on him? i wasn't 'listening' for his name, so i might have heard it but didn't pick up on it. the aggie-for-a-while that i was interested in was trey williams, but i didn't hear that much on him either. i was thinking 7-on-7 might be just the ticket for a jitterbug rb, but maybe he got onto a squad up there that couldn't really use him. dunno about that.
i know the pairing up i really wanted to see was cayleb and nelson on the team with connor and johnathan. sure wish that had happened.
i really did read some people saying that heupel was only interested in two qb's and that the word was that he considered them pretty close to the same quality. i have no clue where they were getting that. maybe some pay site.
regarding gunner and dorial, i read repeatedly on sooner sites when it looked like both were close to deciding something that the speculation was the two had it in mind to play together. hence those two visits to norman almost back-to-back. here again, i'm at the mercy of what people are saying. whatever the deal was, it does seem to have fallen by the wayside, since we don't hear any mention of them together any more. i have had some concern that dorial might be looking to team with him at bama or indy, so i hope you are right about his being more concerned with finding the right fit for him and, hopefully, darnell when he is ready.
i gotta figure mizzou is mostly in the picture for proximity reasons and academic reasons. any school good enough to attract attention from the big ten sounds pretty inviting from what i've heard of the family comments. but they just aren't fielding an appropriate team for dorial's talent. i can't help feel he would be largely wasted there. i really do love college ball and it always bugs me to see a kid go where his talent doesn't really elevate the game.
it puzzles me the talk about arkansas. that's not the kind of academic environment i had them pictured to want. i do understand that it is even closer to them than the missouri campus, so maybe it's just due diligence at work.
same with bama. that place doesn't have a very good reputation, either. their considering the tide made all the sense in the world before dorial visited us and the comments came out that the nature of the school impressed them as much as that of the program. <zinger alert> maybe they just hadn't seen a place like this and hadn't realized it mattered to them.</zinger alert> what do i know?
going to be interesting to watch it play out.
anyway, back to trevor. i think their not slow-playing him suggests that they are very comfortable with him. i understand they told him he will be the sole authority for the qb position this year. is that what you've heard?
oops, i gotta run. scheduled get-together.
no, i wasn't fishing. i don't like to fight fights on the internet. nobody wins but the advertisers.
interesting you comment on trevor's accuracy because that's the one thing i've been hearing where he isn't much like colt. i guess if he sets the ncaa record for completion percentage we'll know you heard right. i think i saw that he had 11 passing td's last year, so i'm guessing the offense he runs isn't that pass-friendly. if he's super-accurate, his coach is dopey or he can't find anybody who can catch the ball or something.
make no mistake, though, the word i've gotten for the most part is that trevor is a good qb, but i think he's been viewed more like james street than colt mccoy, if we're going to compare with a texas qb. boy, would i love to have another james street. that man didn't know how to lose. anyway, i understand trevor is a fine running qb. i'm wondering if what i hear is right that maybe you guys see him in a wildcat role. let another of your qb's be the regular gunslinger. unless what i'm hearing isn't right, of course. maybe you guys reprise the wishbone? that would give us fits.
do you know if he was in oregon this past weekend, and, if so, what word filtered out on him? i wasn't 'listening' for his name, so i might have heard it but didn't pick up on it. the aggie-for-a-while that i was interested in was trey williams, but i didn't hear that much on him either. i was thinking 7-on-7 might be just the ticket for a jitterbug rb, but maybe he got onto a squad up there that couldn't really use him. dunno about that.
i know the pairing up i really wanted to see was cayleb and nelson on the team with connor and johnathan. sure wish that had happened.
i really did read some people saying that heupel was only interested in two qb's and that the word was that he considered them pretty close to the same quality. i have no clue where they were getting that. maybe some pay site.
regarding gunner and dorial, i read repeatedly on sooner sites when it looked like both were close to deciding something that the speculation was the two had it in mind to play together. hence those two visits to norman almost back-to-back. here again, i'm at the mercy of what people are saying. whatever the deal was, it does seem to have fallen by the wayside, since we don't hear any mention of them together any more. i have had some concern that dorial might be looking to team with him at bama or indy, so i hope you are right about his being more concerned with finding the right fit for him and, hopefully, darnell when he is ready.
i gotta figure mizzou is mostly in the picture for proximity reasons and academic reasons. any school good enough to attract attention from the big ten sounds pretty inviting from what i've heard of the family comments. but they just aren't fielding an appropriate team for dorial's talent. i can't help feel he would be largely wasted there. i really do love college ball and it always bugs me to see a kid go where his talent doesn't really elevate the game.
it puzzles me the talk about arkansas. that's not the kind of academic environment i had them pictured to want. i do understand that it is even closer to them than the missouri campus, so maybe it's just due diligence at work.
same with bama. that place doesn't have a very good reputation, either. their considering the tide made all the sense in the world before dorial visited us and the comments came out that the nature of the school impressed them as much as that of the program. <zinger alert> maybe they just hadn't seen a place like this and hadn't realized it mattered to them.</zinger alert> what do i know?
going to be interesting to watch it play out.
anyway, back to trevor. i think their not slow-playing him suggests that they are very comfortable with him. i understand they told him he will be the sole authority for the qb position this year. is that what you've heard?
oops, i gotta run. scheduled get-together.
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