This sucks. Dessau MS kid gets arrested - Update

jmatt

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...defending himself.

A co-worker of mine has a son at Dessau Middle School (Pflugerville ISD).

Let me say up front that anything I write is strictly from the point of view of my co-worker.

Her son and another kid (both 8th grade, about 13 years old) got in a scuffle the other day in PE. The "fight" was started by the other kid, and her son got the worst of it.

Essentially, a touch football game got a little heated and the other kid threw a football at hers then sucker-punched him. Her son then tried to retaliate.

About all that happened is that her son chased the other kid down and jumped on him and had to be pulled off. No punches (other than the first one) were thrown. That punch did however, open a pretty good gash in his cheek and there apparently is some infection. There will be a scar. A pretty good one probably. I've seen the pictures she took, not pretty, first there's the bruised and bleeding ones right after he got home, then the ones of his face all swollen up and red the next morning.

It took a couple of coaches to separate the kids. Both kids got in-school suspension (as you would expect).

One thing that shocked everyone here at work is that the coaches then called the cops (not Pflugerville PD, but Travis County Sheriff for some reason).

Now my co-worker has been informed that her son ONLY will be getting a ticket, and will probably be also arrested for assault. She's had to go hire a lawyer and is pretty freaked out about this entire thing. Both kids are football players (linemen) and apparently normally pretty good friends, so all of this comes as a pretty serious shock to everyone involved.

Of course, no of the other kids there saw anything.
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Except, of course, the one kid jumping on the other (hard to miss that)...

My first reaction when I heard this was amazement that the coaches didn't handle this within the team. The biggest thing that shocked me though was that they did call the cops. And that the principal backed that up.

I know I didn't write this very well, but I'm just flabbergasted (good word, flabbergasted...) that this went beyond suspension and that charges and stuff are involved.

Seems that "back in the day" my coach would have just pulled out some boxing gloves and we'd have gone at it. Which usually lasted about two punches each. The we'd shake hands and be punished by the coaches (gassers, or running laps, and/or licks, that sort of thing), get some suspension, and that would be the end of it.

Does this sound normal? This whole thing sounds fishy. I know I should be taking my coworkers story with more than a grain of salt, but doesn't this punishment sound excessive? And no one here at work understands how the other kid will (apparently) get off scot-free..

Oh, get this, they are holding off on doing anything until after the TAKS (or whatever they're called now) tests...
 
This day and age sucks. Middle school kids will fight, it's part of growing up. No need to have anyone arrested or have the cops called. Suspend them and let the coaches "punish" them. However, if the injury was as bad as you say, then maybe it was a big enough deal to call the cops afterall.
 
I think we could all learn a little something from hockey. You want to go at it, go at it until someone hits the ground. Take your 5 for fighting and move on.
 
People got licks for fighting when I was in school. That's not some magical trip back through the decades either.....that's 2001.
 
Wow, that does seem a little off base. Hope things get resolved appropriately.

Comparatively, I had a middle school fight during PE like the two kids mentioned, and the coach asked me to join the football team after we were done "settling our differences". However, this was at Dobie MS...
 
You should definitely change your subject line. MS = Multiple Sclerosis , not middle school. I definitely thought a crippled kid got arrested for getting beat up when I first started reading.
 
Absurd.

Apparently, Common Sense has been outlawed. I guess it was a secret election, because I sure didn't vote for it.








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If true, that's ridiculous.

However, I've learned not to trust mothers recounting stories involving their son that they did not witness firsthand. I know when I was a kid I would "swear" that "I didn't have anything to do with it" when the blame should have been placed squarely on my shoulders. Mothers tend to think their precious children are incapable of being little shitbags from time to time.
 
This happened a lot on my Middle School team. Coach made EVERYONE do green bays when two guys fought.

He would say "You guys have (student a) and (student b) to thank for the 50 green bays! Everytime you go down I want you to say "thanks (student a)" and "thanks student b." Let them know how much you appreciate it."

Today he might be sued for public humiliation.
 
I have an ex student who is right now being charged for assault. She is one of those kids who gets picked on all the time. After school, when her parents picked her up late, she was surrounded by a group of kids who teased her. There were 5 of them. They reportedly kicked and pushed her, called her names. The girl ran away, and in the process grabbed one girl by the arm and scractched her with her fingernails. The girl who got scatched filed charges, and the DA is procecuting my student for Assault.

The way the school looks at it is this: there's no words that someone can say to you that make it OK to lay a hand on them. As soon as you touch them, you can be arrested for Assault.

Most districts now call in the cops on any fighting stuff b/c of lawsuits. I know mine does.

In the situation I described above, the reason my student got charged was because she left marks and no marks were on her, so there was no proof of what the other kids did.

So, in your coworkers situation, has the other student admitted to hitting your coworker's kid? If so, they should have the right to file charges as well.
 
This sounds about right up a schools alley....

My son was threatened with harassment when he posted something on his blog. Sure it was out of line but it was nothing of "die you ******* ***** die". This was threatened by an SBISD cop no less, but then again he also tried to say that my son could be brought up on federal charges for even talking about the case. He was a moron
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I want to have kids but the more I read about our "education system" (and I use that term very loosely), I think it's better not to.

We are becoming a ridiculous society.
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How old? Juvie, right?

I was a public defender in the Travis County juvie court. First I can tell you the teacher and principal probably have no choice. Its policy. Second, the judges there are reasonable, and there is a decent chance the prosecutor will drop the case. Even if the prosecutor doesn't, I can almost guarantee he could plea to something lesser and do community service and take some anger management class. The people there are jaded. They know that 85% of the kids who go to juvie court never get in trouble again. The rest are serious bad apples. It'll take 2 seconds for everyone in the court room to check him out. He'll be terrified and scared. In my opinion, it's totally obvious who the kids who will eventually go to jail as adults, versus the kids who are scared straight. Plus you get a new start when you become an adult. Very little likelihood of it effecting his future even if he gets the worst possible penalty.
 
Man our society is screwed up nowadays. I got into several scuffles like this when I was there age. What's the big deal? It's been happening forever.

How I wish a coach could let them duke it out, shake hands and then run gassers as punishment. Nope, can't do that, there's cable news that needs to scrutinize every last detail and shock society into thinking this is something sensational and way bigger a deal than it actually is so their ratings will go up and they can make more money and the commentators can see their faces on tv for a little while longer.

And don't forget there are the money grubbing lawyers who need to file frivolous suites so that they can buy that BMW they've been wanting and hey maybe they can get some camera time too??

Oh and let's not forget the parents who want the school system to raise their kids for them, and then when they try to do just that, they sue them because: how dare they lay there hands on MY child!!

So I guess what we're left with is a society that is so scared to act with common sense that lunacy is the only viable option. Two kids in 8th grade get into a scuffle, well ****, better call the cops, lawyers and cable tv, maybe we can get that crazy ***** Nancy Grace to lead the charge??

Anybody else want to check out of this nutjob society we've built for ourselves?

Sorry for the rant. I'm not bitter at the world either, moreso just shaking my head at the world laughing.
 
Update:

My co-worker hired a lawyer, and that seemed to work Wonders.

The assault charges and ticket were dropped, but her son will now have to do some community service (two weeks or a month, I forget which). She can live with that.

However, the school wants to send her son to the "OC" (Off-Campus Suspension) for 30 days. This facility is on the Pflugerville HS campus. Not a place I would want my kid, some of the kids there aren't of the highest quality...

She plans to fight this, asking for in-school suspension and a relaxation of the time.

Now the kicker, the other kid is getting (got) nothing, no suspension, no ticket, no charges. He just got two days of at-home suspension. Her lawyer wants to file assault charges on the kid (mainly to see if he'll admit to starting the fight). She doesn't want to do this, but she does feel he deserves at least the same treatment her son has been getting.

All along, she's been told is that there is a "no tolerance" policy, that's why her son got slapped with the charges and stuff. So now she's asking why the other kid didn't get the same treatment.

So there's still more to this stupidity.
 
Oh, she does think all of this is a good life lesson for her son. He gets a taste of what it's like being responsible for your actions...
 
Just because I'm a big nerd - let's open up a law dictionary:

1. Assault - (Criminal) the act of putting another person in reasonable fear or apprehension of an immediate battery by means of an act amounting to an attempt or threat to commit a battery.

2. Battery - (Criminal) The use of force against another, resulting in harmful or offensive contact.

So generally when we say 'assault' - we're talking about the threat of force, and when we say 'battery' - we're talking about getting punched in the face.

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
 
same thing happened to my step-brother (also at dessau) a few years ago, he had to go to court and all that jazz...pretty damn ridiculous if you ask me...kids are kids, when i was in 5th grade me and my best friend got into a fight during a recess football game, it happens
 

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