This is certainly promising...

[texas_ex2000]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/middleeast/iran-khamenei-israel-will-not-exist-25-years/index.html

"I'd say (to Israel) that they will not see (the end) of these 25 years," the Islamic Republic News Agency quoted Khamenei as saying Wednesday at the Imam Khomeini Mosque.

"God willing, there will be no such thing as a Zionist regime in 25 years. Until then, struggling, heroic and jihadi morale will leave no moment of serenity for Zionists," he said, according to IRNA.

http://www.irna.ir/en/News/81753808/

Tehran, Sept 9, IRNA - The Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei said on Wednesday that struggle heroic and jihadi morale will leave no moment of serenity for Zionists.

 

[theiioftx]

But I trust them, so I think we give them 140 billion to get started!

 

[Horn6721]

oh Me too II's
heck let's make sure we protect them from those evil Joos.
The "supreme leader" has never given us any reason to distrust him.

 

[zork]

why don't we let the secretary of state office out of the Tehran bureau?

 

[theiioftx]

A Middle East White House would be better.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I've never understood why we just dismiss these types of comments when they come from Iran. Call me crazy, but if someone repeatedly started that he wanted me dead, it would impact my relationship with that person.

 

[zork]

what if you didn't give a **** what happened after your job ended. you could say you made a historic agreement! even though everyone knows the deal stunk and was just for show.

 

[BevoBeef]

Call me crazy, but if someone repeatedly started that he wanted me dead, it would impact my relationship with that person.

I tend to believe that many who are accepting this Iran deal are underestimating the long range effect of what it will do to the attitude in Israel. It will all be covert until it is obvious as to what is going on.

If someone said that they were going to kill me and terminate my existence that I had next to them, I would definitely do more than change my relationship with them. I would take the offensive and plan the reverse on their fate while thinking that I had no other recourse. In israel, the people who are being quiet now or mild mannered about not worrying about what Iran will do are the ones who I would watch as to what indicates the action they will take in the future. The experience that I have had working with intelligent Israelis tells me that they are a very practical people and will plan something in the future without trying to let the USA know -- unless they think they absolutely need something from us. There is a lot of brain energy being expended right now at the eastern edge of that Med. Sea concerning this topic.

Iran will not get much of a chance to spend that extra $150 billion before they realize that they are playing in a new game with a different set of rules. It will be the unintended consequences of Obama's decisions in the Middle East that will impact his legacy in history. Israel will not be shy in forming new relationships in the Middle East if they think they will need to do that it in order to stay alive. To me, a strong Saudi-Israeli alliance is a foregone conclusion. The real question is what will this mean. What is happening in Yemen is a tip of the iceberg.

 

[Horn6721]

Hmmm BB
To your point could SA be one of the new relationships? And I notice India and Israel are working together.
However on the other side with the hundreds of billions in addition to funding terrorism all over the ME and I am sure here in USA will Iran spend some of that money with countries like Germany, France Russia?
Will Iran be able to buy other countries if not loyalty at least a blind eye to the treachery it will no doubt enact?

 

[texas_ex2000]

I've never understood why we just dismiss these types of comments when they come from Iran. Call me crazy, but if someone repeatedly started that he wanted me dead, it would impact my relationship with that person.

But Deez, we're not smart like the guys in the White House, see? According to Obama, we're so smart that we're taking away their ability to destroy us and Israel and they don't even know what they're signing. The plan is so genius because we're gonna give them hundreds of billions of dollars once they self-verify...and...that's how it works!!!!

 

[huisache]

for all we know the Israelis and the Iranian government may have a backdoor conversation going and the blather about a new holocaust may be window dressing for the rubes in rural Iran. Not likely, I grant, but there is so much double dealing among the criminals who rule nations that nothing is out of the question.

The Saudis and Israel are buds now. Go figure. Russia and China were the closest of buds and Kissinger/Nixon turned that around. Viet Nam and China were supposedly joined at the hip but as soon as we left the neighborhood they got into a shooting war with each other. Viet Nam now wants the bloodthirsty imperialist Americans to be their best friends.

What these Aholes say and what they do or plan to do are different matters.

As for Obama, he is betting on the lifting of sanctions to empower Iran's managerial class, which is huge and hugely important, and lead to the sliding away of power in the Persian state. By the way, the Persian state has the highest rate of chlamydia in the world and has a negative birth rate. Their days are numbered.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Count me as one of the individuals less concerned. I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm not concerned at all.

Leaders say all kinds of crazy ****. Heck, I'd wager you could find Khomeini saying something similar 30 years ago. Israel's position militarily may be stronger now than it's ever been. I don't think we should react to every crazy statement by a country leader that goes against our interests. In fact, much of the time public statements are not backed up by actions. Will Iran continue to fund Hamas/Hezbollah? Of course, that statement was likely to reassure them as much as anyone. Is the US capable of changing Iran short of war? I don't think so. Is there a risk that Israel takes matters into their own hands? Yes, in 2012 they were within hours of a precision attack in Iran. Does Israel also need to be concerned about US interests? Absolutely, our involvement in the ME is much bigger than Israel. Any aggressive military action outside of their borders could ignite an already short fuzed powder keg.

A Saudi Arabia - Israel alliance? That would be the beginning of the end of the Saudi monarchy. I could see them sharing intelligence behind the scenes but any public show of support for Israel would likely cause riots in Riyadh. I think you'd see Bahrain but on a much larger scale. Remember, Syria started out as simply protests also. Israel is a toxic partner to any potential ME countries.

 

[huisache]

israel has an embassy in Cairo open again and the Israeli and Saudi defense forces meet regularly

 

[zork]

should the usa be in place to protect iran from israel? or is that not a part of this deal as some have indicated? if it is I totally disagree with it.

 

[Mr. Deez]

ount me as one of the individuals less concerned. I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm not concerned at all.

Leaders say all kinds of crazy ****. Heck, I'd wager you could find Khomeini saying something similar 30 years ago. Israel's position militarily may be stronger now than it's ever been. I don't think we should react to every crazy statement by a country leader that goes against our interests. In fact, much of the time public statements are not backed up by actions.

I didn't say I'd launch a war or even a military strike just because a leader says crazy ****. You have to consider the credibility of the threats and the ability of the threats to be carried out. Iran has been threatening the US and Israel virtually since the founding the Islamic Republic, and they haven't carried the threats out in a major way yet. Accordingly, it makes little sense to go strike them now.

However, I think that kind of rhetoric has to impact our relationship with Iran. I think it's sensible not to be very trusting of them and to assume that their intenions are bad.

I agree with you on the idea of a Israeli-Saudi alliance. I could see them working together behind the scenes, but you'll never see a public collaboration between the two countries in waging war against an Isalmic nation. I think that would mean the end of the Saudi monarchy.

I have nothing to base this on, but I suspect that deep down, most of these Islamic leaders are glad Israel is there for the same reason I think many Republican leaders were glad gay marriage was an issue ten years ago (and Democratic leaders are glad it's an issue today). It gives them an easy boogieman to publicly attack to rile up their citizens while diverting their attention from the leadership's real failings at home. Jew-bashing goes a long way in the Middle East.

 

[Seattle Husker]

However, I think that kind of rhetoric has to impact our relationship with Iran. I think it's sensible not to be very trusting of them and to assume that their intenions are bad.

Do you think the Obama Administration trusts them? I'd hope they aren't that naïve and want to believe they feel this deal with verification mitigates the war drums beating on the right.

What was the "right" hoping to get out of a deal? All I hear is a "better deal"? What does that mean? There were 6 countries we negotiated with. If the others think this is a good deal what leverage do we have? The leverage we have right now was due to the increased sanctions from the 6 governments. Any assumption that all 6 would continue the sanctions indefinitely aren't being realistic. In the end, Russia and China are working against us. Flipping on us would help them economically and strategically. With that in mind shouldn't we get the best deal while we can before they flip?

 

[Mr. Deez]

Do you think the Obama Administration trusts them? I'd hope they aren't that naïve and want to believe they feel this deal with verification mitigates the war drums beating on the right.

I don't think the Obama Administration trusts Iran, and I think they have every confidence that Iran will become a nuclear power.

What was the "right" hoping to get out of a deal? All I hear is a "better deal"? What does that mean? There were 6 countries we negotiated with. If the others think this is a good deal what leverage do we have? The leverage we have right now was due to the increased sanctions from the 6 governments. Any assumption that all 6 would continue the sanctions indefinitely aren't being realistic. In the end, Russia and China are working against us. Flipping on us would help them economically and strategically. With that in mind shouldn't we get the best deal while we can before they flip?

As you may recall, I'm not a big fan of the deal because I think its benefits are largely illusory, but I'm pretty indifferent to it. I'm more concerned with how well we're prepared to deal with a nuclear Iran than whether or not a better deal could have been negotiated. When they develop ballistic missiles that can carry the nukes they're developing, will we be able to defend ourselves and our allies? That's what I care about.

I wouldn't give the P5+1 much credibility in judging the deal. As you pointed out, Russia and China weren't on our side in the first place. France, the UK, and Germany have their security guaranteed by the US through NATO, so if things turn to crap, we will protect them. Accordingly, they have everything to gain (economic benefit and looking magnanimous) and little to lose by lifting the sanctions. Could we leverage our disproportionate share in NATO and our economic dominance to get a better deal? Maybe, but every deal presumes that Iran is trustworthy. I don't think it is, so no deal was going to please me, and no deal was going to please the GOP.