This can't help BO

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Horn6721

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"Spanish-language television network Univision plans to air a television special that it said reveals more violence than previously known, as well as the stories of how many more Operation Fast and Furious victims were killed, the network announced in a Friday release.

“The consequences of the controversial ‘Fast and Furious’ undercover operation put in place by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in 2009 have been deadlier than what has been made public to date,” the network said. “The exclusive, in-depth investigation by Univision News’ award-winning Investigative Unit — Univision Investiga — has found that the guns that crossed the border as part of Operation Fast and Furious caused dozens of deaths inside Mexico.”
Mexican government officials have estimated that at least 300 people in Mexico were killed with Fast and Furious weapons.

Read more:The Link
 
What doesn't help is when an American dies from the results of all the ATF gun walking schemes. Obama's already had the political fallout from that. If Romney wants to run with more info about F&F during debates, he'll come across as petty and reaching.

"the guns that crossed the border as part of Operation Fast and Furious caused dozens of deaths inside Mexico"

While I'm not usually one to pick on semantics, you'd think an award-winning investigative unit could determine what causality means.
 
??
So you think there won't be any political fall out from Americans learning innocent children died as a result of F&F??
Or is it because they were only mexican children and their deaths aren't as important as an American?

I am sure you don't mean that but which you mention that the American deaths and dismiss the report that will come out of 16 children dying it raises questions about your concern,


and seriously?? You feel the need to criticize the content and not the mesage?
perhaps this is a translation and a bad one

but this isn't over yet for BO and it should not be. What his admin did was unspeakable and then to not tell the mexican gov't?
 
It should matter, but it won't matter. The MSM won't run with it. Besides, obama is our first black president. Anything critical of him is deemed to be racist. In addition to that, many of those who are already entrenched in obama's corner are not exactly overflowing with information concerning political issues. He's kind of like a rock star to them. Pop culture and politics have already been so integrated that the young and clueless will cast their vote for him regardless. He can do no wrong.
 
Maybe I've misread the story, but wasn't the root of this some rouge FBI agents and US attorneys who didn't want to in any way impair gun traffic -- basically making it theiir mission to create NRA America where a 19- year old with 30K cash could go in and buy semi-automatic guns and tons of ammo in a border town and not be hassled by namby-pamby folks worried about guns in the wrong hands?
 
Crock
No You didn't " misread" the story. You didn't read it at all
instead you tried to post crap you thought would be cute.
I guess you agree with H
This was only a story to some when it was learned an American was killed.
When it is reported that 16 innocent children were part of the 300 Mexicans killed withj guns the BO admin let go into Mexico it appears BO supporters don't care.
 
"I am sure you don't mean that but which you mention that the American deaths and dismiss the report that will come out of 16 children dying it raises questions about your concern"

Fact: children dying sucks. Trying to make it political makes it suck even more. I'm not dismissing it... it's a separate issue altogether from "This can't help BO," as in the election and his popularity standing. It's a drug war issue, which I'm also in favor of ending. I'm not exactly sure when the whole "guns don't kill people, people kill people" campaign came out, but distancing from it with issues like this seems kind of picky-choosy.

Another fact: those 16 young partiers in harm's way still would have been in harm's way whether F&F was around or not. This reminds me of the 91-8 vote (or whatever it was) with nonrenewing the assault weapons ban. The 8 against it didn't understand that criminals still get weapons, whether assault style or not, in order to accomplish their goals. Same goes for the awful Mexican gangs violence.

I'd love for F&F to have never happened. But its recency doesn't change the fact that stuff like this has happened before, on a much larger scale, and had basically no political fallout for the popular POTUSes that supported it.
 
The Link

It seems like Fortune Magazine did an awfully thorough investigation of what really happendd and what I wrote is a helluva lot closer to the truth than the shorthand Horn6721, Rush, Hannity and Fox go with, which is "The Obama Administration lost track of weapons." Again if you decry the death of innocents in Mexico with weapons easily obtained in the US, how do you rectify that with gun laws we basically let the NRA write and of which the NRA, even during Democratic administrations, helps guide enforcement towards nonenforcement. You think MItt is going to ride herd on the NRA? Is that why you support him so enthusiastically?
 
croc
Really?

The Department of Justice Inspector General Report issued last week blows holes all over that story and clears any wrongdoing alleged against Dodson and al; whistleblowers.
The report also back tracks the earlier positions denying any involvement but Justice or or ATF

Edit
forgot to add the Politico reporting of the House asking Fortune to retract that false article
from PoliticoThe Link
"

House Oversight Committee calls for 'Fortune' to retract Fast and Furious report

By DYLAN BYERS |
9/21/12 1:44 PM EDT


The House Oversight Committee says a new Justice Department report on Operation Fast and Furious contradicts the conclusions of a landmark six-month investigation published by Fortune Magazine, and is calling on the magazine to retract the story.

The article, by Katherine Eban, states that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tabacco, and Firearms "never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels." Published in June, it was widely viewed as a game changer on the Fast and Furious case, as it contradicted accusations made by House Oversight Committee chairman Darrell Issa, who said that law-enforcement agents purposefully trafficked illegal firearms.

"[F]ive law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic," Eban reported at the time. "Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn."

Eban reviewed "more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case," and reported that the case against ATF supervisor Dave Voth and his colleagues was "replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies."

But this week's DOJ report claims otherwise. On Page 434 of the report, the Inspector General writes that the supervisor's approach "drove the lack of overt action against the straw purcahsers, including making seizures and arrests." The report continues:


We did not find persuasive evidence to support Voth’s claim that this approach and ATF’s continued adherence to it in the face of alarming purchasing activity was solely grounded in disputes with Hurley’s legal guidance during the case. In fact, if Voth truly felt the frustration during the case that he asserted to us with respect to seizures and arrests, his deficiencies as a supervisor were even more significant because we did not find persuasive evidence that his managers at ATF or those responsible for the case at the U.S. Attorney’s Office were made aware of these misgivings. Instead, Voth’s communications to these individuals reflected his full support for the case and his belief that “we are righteous in our plan to dismantle this entire organization and to rush in to arrest any one person without taking into account the entire scope of the conspiracy would be ill advised to the overall good of the mission."

Following the release of the report, the House Oversight Committee told POLITICO that the report, and that passage specifically, "firmly rejects Eban’s conclusions."

"The Fortune story was irresponsible journalism"

Croc I hope you take the time to read the link and then maybe do some research on the DOJ report

Eban saying something is true doesn't make it true even though YOU really want it to be
 
The house oversight committee headed by an unabashed NRA cheerlieader? Ok. And then I guess Barak should have been flying down to Arizona to give the law enforcement a pep talk when he wasn't in Libya taking personal charge of consulate security.
 
I wonder what how large the univision audience is and how may other spanish language outlets will report on this after it airs

I can see the supporters on WM who posted want to think it doesn't matter . That it only mattered when an American was killed and that story is over.
but you should watch the Univision story and think how the Hispanics will view it.
 
Croc
Really you need to learn to read
Go back and read what the DOJ report stated.
BO's DOJ
Really shoots a hole in your magazine article
well unless you can delude yourself into thinking a BO DOJ report would be written to support the NRA
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Univision's program will be seen by millions of Hispanics living in the USA( how many are voters? )
and the program is very harsh toward BO pointing out he lied about Fast and Furious and making the even harsher point that the BO gov't needed those guns to be used IN Mexico
from link
"
Americans have been getting a lot of information about the possible cover-up in the Justice Department, the tragedy of Brian Terry getting killed, but what about the Mexicans?” says Miami-based Gerardo Reyes, Univision’s director of investigative reporting, in an interview Saturday with the Monitor.

“The sinister part of this, and I know it sounds very hard, is that the success of this operation depended in part on the fact that the guns were used in Mexico to kill,” says Mr. Reyes. “In order to reach the target of the operation, which was identifying the drug traffickers who were using the guns, [ATF agents] were waiting for the guns to be used. And how are guns used in Mexico? Killing people. I talked to an ATF agent who said there was no other way to explain it.”

end of quote

thee is no way this is good for BO
yet supporters like R35 try to deflect by bringing up Bush.
Not even a good deflection
 
Univision's report last night is the first of several.
It showed a bery human side to wht the Bo admin did
and it showed some pretty graphic pics of the conserquences.

It also reported that in addition to FnF there were gun walking ops in Fla and Texas.
Even i cringed when the implacation was that Americans didn't care about Mexicans getting killed with guns BO sent until I remembered H's post. How will Hispanics view that opinion offered?

This is not going away. Univision's audience is huge and this will be discussed on all over spanish netwroks. Evem MSM may have to cover it. ABC has given it some coverage.
 
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