The Passion of 12 Years a Slave
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Clean
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No big surprise. Liberals don't mind a little bloodshed as long as it advances their agenda, which 'Slave' does and 'Passion' did not.
I saw 'Passion' on the tube an Easter or two ago. It's certainly not something that you watch to be entertained. I was glad when it was over. I would never watch it again.
I have no plans to watch 'Slave'. I'll take their word for it; slavery was Hell. Anyway, I already knew that from watching Mandingo.
I saw 'Passion' on the tube an Easter or two ago. It's certainly not something that you watch to be entertained. I was glad when it was over. I would never watch it again.
I have no plans to watch 'Slave'. I'll take their word for it; slavery was Hell. Anyway, I already knew that from watching Mandingo.
Uninformed
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movie violence is to violence as crabapples are to crabs.
as my dad used to say about war movie realism, "if you didn't **** in your pants, it was not realistic
Here is an idea for a film: make one about the coastal tribes of west africa who went into the interior to steal people to sell to the white slave merchants. Millions of them. Were they not aware of the evils of slavery?
Why did they think it was ok to sell other people, particularly when they did not know what happened to them after the whites hauled them off? And what did they do with the profits they exacted for their plunder? Did they build universities and schools with their ill gained money?
Did any black people ever own slaves? Were all of them black?
There is a lot of money to be made off of white guilt.
as my dad used to say about war movie realism, "if you didn't **** in your pants, it was not realistic
Here is an idea for a film: make one about the coastal tribes of west africa who went into the interior to steal people to sell to the white slave merchants. Millions of them. Were they not aware of the evils of slavery?
Why did they think it was ok to sell other people, particularly when they did not know what happened to them after the whites hauled them off? And what did they do with the profits they exacted for their plunder? Did they build universities and schools with their ill gained money?
Did any black people ever own slaves? Were all of them black?
There is a lot of money to be made off of white guilt.
ProdigalHorn
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My recollection of the Passion release was that it was reviewed by critics as "torture porn" of sorts, and by many religious journalists (who really tend not to be very mainstream) as being a reflection of some new emphasis on the crucifixion (which according to some writers I read apparently wasn't really viewed as important until recent years - which seems pretty ridiculous to say), and the violence was unnecessary and disturbing.
I don't remember any religious group coming out against it - and in fact I remember a lot of organized viewings of the movie.
I don't remember any religious group coming out against it - and in fact I remember a lot of organized viewings of the movie.
If the posts were not anonymous I would not dare express such opinions in public.
I found the obituary for my great grandmother recently and they noted that when she was 7 years old in 1859 her parents, who were ranchers in south Texas bought her a slave girl for a playmate. Think about the terror of that: her parents had a little girl and the master took her and sold her to some white people so their kid has somebody of her own sex to play with. Ghastly.
Other relatives of that time were German Unionists who dodged the Confederate draft by creating home defense companies to ward off the Comanches.
The little town of Cologne Texas, which I drove through the other day coming back from Victoria was founded by ex slaves after the war and whites were not allowed to live there.
Lots of interesting angles to the slave regime and if you dive into the history you find lots of stuff that is not consistent with the current correct thinking. Thomas Jefferson thought slavery an abomination but could not see how the southern planters could free their slaves. He said it was like holding a wolf by the ears: you couldn't hang on forever and you couldn't just let loose.
An interesting read on the subject is the memoir of Sam Houston's servant, who years later painted a fairly rosy account of being a slave for Houston. It is like the book that 12 years is based on: you can't tell how much of what you hear is from the purported author and how much from the ghost writer.
Another good read is Randolph Campbell's book on slavery in Texas, "An Empire for Slavery." Nobody could walk away from that one with any illusions about the wretched way most slaves had to live.
When Sherman marched through Georgia and CArolina one of the only things slowing him down was all the celebrating slaves.
Also good is The Slaves' Civil War.
I had the pleasure of taking a slavery course at UT taught by the first black prof in liberal arts. He wrote A History of Negro Education in the South and noted that one of the ways blacks got educated in spite of laws outlawing such practices was the individual masters who realizied their property was human and felt honor bound to educated them. The Christianity factor was big in this respect.
I found the obituary for my great grandmother recently and they noted that when she was 7 years old in 1859 her parents, who were ranchers in south Texas bought her a slave girl for a playmate. Think about the terror of that: her parents had a little girl and the master took her and sold her to some white people so their kid has somebody of her own sex to play with. Ghastly.
Other relatives of that time were German Unionists who dodged the Confederate draft by creating home defense companies to ward off the Comanches.
The little town of Cologne Texas, which I drove through the other day coming back from Victoria was founded by ex slaves after the war and whites were not allowed to live there.
Lots of interesting angles to the slave regime and if you dive into the history you find lots of stuff that is not consistent with the current correct thinking. Thomas Jefferson thought slavery an abomination but could not see how the southern planters could free their slaves. He said it was like holding a wolf by the ears: you couldn't hang on forever and you couldn't just let loose.
An interesting read on the subject is the memoir of Sam Houston's servant, who years later painted a fairly rosy account of being a slave for Houston. It is like the book that 12 years is based on: you can't tell how much of what you hear is from the purported author and how much from the ghost writer.
Another good read is Randolph Campbell's book on slavery in Texas, "An Empire for Slavery." Nobody could walk away from that one with any illusions about the wretched way most slaves had to live.
When Sherman marched through Georgia and CArolina one of the only things slowing him down was all the celebrating slaves.
Also good is The Slaves' Civil War.
I had the pleasure of taking a slavery course at UT taught by the first black prof in liberal arts. He wrote A History of Negro Education in the South and noted that one of the ways blacks got educated in spite of laws outlawing such practices was the individual masters who realizied their property was human and felt honor bound to educated them. The Christianity factor was big in this respect.
texas_ex2000
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Bevo Incognito
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texas_ex2000
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mr D
Even when you and I disagree I admire the way you frame things. You are close 9 ONLY close) to my idea of an ideal lawyer
This from your post above
"That tells me that something other than a true moral aversion to slavery drives the condemnation of American slavery. "
hits squarely on something that never made sense to me but I didn't know why.
Even when you and I disagree I admire the way you frame things. You are close 9 ONLY close) to my idea of an ideal lawyer
This from your post above
"That tells me that something other than a true moral aversion to slavery drives the condemnation of American slavery. "
hits squarely on something that never made sense to me but I didn't know why.
Larry T. Spider
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Just kidding of course! But, its the only way some people will be happy.
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