The four freshmen

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I've stated often this class was a home run in many respects.

It will probably never go down as one of UT's best classes, simply because under Barnes recruiting has been so phenomenal, and there's a good chance it's going to get better.

The one it compares to the most is Barnes' first full class of Boddicker/Ivey/Thomas/Mouton/Klotz. However, that one not only had a McD AA in Boddicker, but also Thomas was a top 20 type recruit by some services.

The way it's similar, is that all four are four year types. For all the screaming and bitching that goes on on this board because of early entries (and Texas is one of the country's leaders in the number of early entries) it's important to me to note how crucial of a foundation this class is going to provide.

The thing is, no program can count on competing at the highest levels with all four year players. The last time a team won the national championship without an early entry player on their roster was the 2nd of the back to back Duke national champions in 1992. Unless something changes on the college basketball landscape, it might not ever happen again.

However, it's disastrous to go in the other direction as well. First of all, no program can recruit enough early entry players to field a top notch team. Playing time is too crucial, and recruiting too competitive.

Second, early entry players won't have enough experience, which is critical in terms of mental and physical preparation, and playing overall defense.

Third, it's too disruptive to constantly have players rushing through the program in one or two years. There have to be some four year players to keep the culture intact, and provide leavening.

The best way to do all this is to use recruiting acumen to snag the most talented players in the country --- the playmakers, the potential NBA all stars, the early entry candidates --- and then use evaluative and development skills to bring in a foundation for the long term.

This class represents the latter. Well, that, and some luck to go along with it.

Gary Johnson is obviously the bellcow. I love this kid. He is one of the easiest people to root for, and after watching him in high school I would have been a huge fan whereever he chose to go to school. He had a lot of pressure to attend Arizona, but turned down that opportunity. If Duke or North Carolina had come calling, there's a good chance he would have gone to either one of them, and while North Carolina sniffed around a bit, neither one of the two ACC powerhouses ended up offering.

What people see is his athleticism, his energy and effort, his rebounding. What people don't see is how unbelievably hard he works off the court. Those 12 foot shots he's hitting from the baseline or the free throw line were not a part of his arsenal in high school. That's a part of his game he's developed since coming to Texas. I realize he started off extraordinarily slowly with his free throw shooting, which was unfortunate given how much work he put into it in the offseason, but now we're starting to see it come to fruition. That's something else he couldn't do for crap in high school.

He's a HUGE part of UT's improvement on defense. He's the best hedge/recover defender on the team. For an undersized true freshman forward, he's good at pushing his opponent off the low block. He'll get better, but he's a real plus in that department on this team right now. He's by far the best player on the team in blocking out. He's relentless.

He has a nice jump hook move on the low block already, although obviously it can still use some improvement, and I don't like seeing it against the bigger bodies like Darnell Jackson and Bryan Davis as much as I do against weaker defenders like Kevin Rogers.

The biggest thing Gary Johnson is going to bring to this program will be off the court. The kid is a born leader. He leads by example, holds his teammates accountable, but knows how to do it in a way that has everyone believing in him and respecting him. He won't allow bad attitudes to pervade the locker room. He'll be an extension of Rick Barnes when Rick Barnes isn't around.

What we're seeing from Gary Johnson, in terms of improvement, production, and contributions to the team is just the tip of the iceberg. I have no idea if an NBA career is in his future, but I do know it won't be a lack of effort that keeps him from it.

Clint Chapman had an interesting path to Texas. In many years, Chapman would have been the best player coming out of the state of Oregon, but this past season the state had two top 5 national talents that tended to soak up the headlines in UCLA's Kevin Love and Duke's Kyle Singler. Like Gary Johnson with the two ACC schools, Chapman, too had someone other than Texas as his favorite. His mom is a UCLA grad, and the kid was a Bruin fan all the way. It was only when they told him they ran out of scholarships that his successful recruitment was even a possibility.

The fun thing about 4/5 year types is watching them develop over the course of their career. Even in his limited minutes, we're already seeing flashes of what Chapman can bring. He has a good feel for rebounding, and he has some really nice moves in the post. He also has a perimeter game, although it's not needed on this team. He's not much of a shotblocker --- and might never be --- and he's not 7 foot, but other than those two salient details, I think he's going to remind us of a poor man's Chris Mihm. I feel confident he'll be an All Conference for Texas before his career is through.

Alexis Wangmene's story has been well documented. Discovered by Spurs GM R.C. Buford while in Africa on a Basketball Without Borders tour, Wangmene was brought back to live with Buford's family.

Another example of Texas being the beneficiary of another team not recruiting a player, Wangmene was a lock for Kansas if they'd decided to offer.

I have to say I don't like how Barnes' handled Wangmene earlier in the year, but it's Barnes' team, and at this point of the season it's looking more like nitpicking than legitimate criticism, but I really felt earlier on Barnes was getting contributions out of Wangmene that has faded over the course of the season.

Still, the kid is long, athletic, and strong. He's intimidating when he properly handles the double off of ball screens. He's a very good shotblocker, a good rebounder. He doesn't get enough credit for his low block offense. The two shots he made late against A&M are examples of what he'll provide in the future. He's another guy who has worked really hard on his free throw shooting, and as he demonstrated early in the year, he's capable of getting to the line a bunch when Texas is ready to develop that part of his game.

This has been a good baseline for Wangmene. It's going to be fun to see how he develops.

The last guy, but certainly not the least, is Dogus Balbay. It's a shame he hurt his knee before the season began, because he's the one missing piece on this team. The Texas coaches have some connections with an NBA scout who saw Balbay while watching European national players, and alerted the Longhorns to him. Balbay is from a wealthy family that doesn't need his potential earnings from basketball, and values education, so they gave their blessing for him to pursue college in the United State. He never considered another school, although once coaches saw him competing for Brewster Academy, they certainly asked about him.

Dogus is a ****** outside shooter at this stage of his career. Maybe TJ Ford bad...maybe worse. His game isn't about top end quickness the way it would be for many poor outside shooting point guards. Instead, it's about athleticism. Wait until you guys get a chance to see him on the court, because he's going to be a jaw dropper. The dude is a walking posterizer waiting to happen. He has lateral quickness on defense akin to Justin Mason, and the same kind of feel for rebounding. And I'll say it again, he is an explosive dunker. It's shocking seeing it from a 6'1 white kid. Oh, and he's also a shotblocker, as wacky as that sounds.

He's used to playing with competition at a very high level, and he's been the floor leader for nearly every team he's been on for years. It's going to be exciting to see what he eventually brings to Texas. I will say his recovery from his injury has gone amazingly well. Not to say he'll play this year, because it doesn't look like he will, but there won't be any lingering after effects, which is important for a guy who depends on his athleticism the way this kid does for a competitive edge.

Anyway, it's been a fun season in many ways, but one of the things I love is seeing kids develop while they're on campus. It's something we've come to take for granted under Barnes, so we can expect to see it with these four as well. This season will provide a good baseline for 3 of them. We've already seen flashes at different levels that bode well for the future. I'm excited to see how their careers turn out 4 years down the road.
 
Fantastic post SLX. I always appreciate your insights. But just a couple of weeks ago weren't you bashing Barnes for the way he was handling this team?
 
Absolutely.

I hated the way they played until the KU game, after looking so great early on.

I felt like it was the worst job Barnes has done as a coach since he'd been at Texas, taking a team with swagger, confidence, playing well, and blistering them into a hesitant, second guessing, finger pointing, ball hogging crew, both collectively, and individually.

I don't think I pounded that message home, because I didn't see much of a point. Instead, I just quit posting for the most part.

However, it's a little tough to keep that message up after Kansas/Baylor/A&M, isn't it? Even the Baylor collapse is impossible for me to truly blame on Barnes. They never looked like second guessing, tight, nervous, finger pointing ball hogs as much as their lack of clutch play just seemed to snowball on them. Fortunately, Baylor seemed to want to lose that game more.

The KU and A&M games were works of art, comparable in their own ways to the Tennessee and UCLA wins earlier in the year.

I still think he could have gotten more out of Chapman and Wangmene than he has, and I still think the Ian Mooney stunt was complete bush league, but it's his team, they're playing extremely well right now, and so whatever the struggles they went through to get to this point, now it can be averred they needed to to develop into the team they are right now. And maybe that's true.

I will point out he's not blistering the players for all the things they're doing poorly, or calling out their manhood on a regular basis. Maybe they needed to go through that process(and I'm certainly not completely convinced of that), but it was tough to watch the results as a fan when the team was struggling so much, I do know that.
 
I can't say that I totally disagreed with your earlier observations although I did think they were a little harsh. Based on the team's recent success though it's obvious why he is the coach and we're not. Keep it up Horns!
 
Well, I'm a pretty harsh guy.

And I was really pissed off watching this team. As angry as I've been since Barnes got to Austin.
 
First of all, thanks for the post on the frosh. I agree that we may look back on it as a foundation for good things to come. Not that those 4 kids will be NBA-beaters. Almost the opposite, they are solid kids that will be be with the program for 4 years. It'll be interesting to see how things go by the time they are seniors. Often times, veteran teams can go deeper in the tourney.

And, remember, Matt Hill will RS b/c of his foot injury.
 
Good to see you back on the bandwagon SL. You seem like a pretty knowledgeable guy most of the time but man all your posts on phog giving us no chance to win the KU game seemed so over the top and came across as a typical bandwagon fan or "t-shirt" fan as the ags would call it rather than the true UT fan you genuinely seem to be. Teams will go through rough periods, it's a long season and they look like they've weathered the storm and are playing their best basketball at the right time. Good post on the four freshmen as well.
 
Dig the post. Another aspect of this class similar to the Boddiker, Ivey, Mouton, Thomas class is that it could provide a great foundation for some of the studs we are in on in the 2009 class, much like those guys were with TJ. Depending on which ones we get, 09-10 could be something special. Dogus will be a soph; Chapman, Wangmene, Hill and Johnson will be juniors; Dex, Smith and Mason will be seniors; J'Covan will be a sophmore along with whomever we get to round out the 08 class. That's a great group and if Barnes could get a top flight player or two it could be one of his best teams. I feel kinda silly thinking that far ahead, especially considering how great this team is, but it's a testament to the program Barnes HAS built.

SL, you've posted about them before, but who are we in on in the 09 class, and how would they fit with the above core? You gotta think playing with the above players will be a major factor in our favor.
 
Barnes has a lot of really powerful qualities, but in my opinion his strongest ones aren't given enough limelight.

For example, he's one of those people who has a real gift for recognizing qualities in others, and getting them to perform at a level that they themselves didn't realize they could do. He empowers people to be leaders. Not just his players. Look at the intense loyalty someone like Todd Wright has for Coach Barnes. His assistants would run through a brick wall for him. I watched Rodney Terry go toe to toe with Chris Walker --- at the time an AAU coach in charge of one of the best AAU programs in Houston, now an assistant under Steve Alford at New Mexico --- for making unfounded criticisms about Barnes' program.

The media guys fawn all over Barnes. Fraschilla calls him his closest friend in the business. Eddie Oran openly drools when he gets a chance to talk to Barnes in the post game interviews.

He's outstanding at developing leadership on his teams. He recognizes who the leaders can and should be, and puts them in the position where teammates will follow them.

Frankly, he's amazing at it. He pushes everyone around him to be better than they are. He communicates qualities they may not even believe they have, and then works to bring those qualities to the forefront. He does it with players, assistants, support staff. Yet, we never hear much about it.

However, I'm an opinionated guy, and I don't find agreeing with everything all that entertaining. I could go on and on with all the things I agree with regarding how Barnes runs a program, and how satisfying it is that he's the men's basketball coach at the program I follow.

But what's the fun in that? There's also all the things I disagree with, and those apparent conflicts are what interest me.

For example, with Damion James I don't think Barnes is doing as good a job of taking advantage of him as he could. James has monster games --- we're talking Kevin Durant type games --- at the wing, yet Barnes moved away from playing him out there. I don't get that.

James does lose "focusness" often. He's always going to give maximum effort. He has incredible talent and athleticism, but James has to work harder on the mental aspects of the game than others do. That's simply not his strength. Maybe the only way to successfully deal with it is to constantly emasculate him and verbally rip his lungs out. I don't know.

What I do know is that at one time this team looked like crap compared to their potential, and now they look fantastic. James looks like a great cog, even if he doesn't look like the superstar he appears like he could be at times.

But everyone can be a second guesser. When things are going well, it's tough for that to have any credibility. Things are going really well right now. I'd prefer to look like an idiot for any criticisms I've levelled at Barnes for the team's progression through the season than to feel vindicated because they fail to reach their potential, so I prefer for the current level of performance to continue.
 
IN SLX defense, we weren't much looking like a team that was gonna beat Kansas.

Hell, at half time, I was even more worried. We shot the ball well, but we were still behing and they were killing us on the boards.

IMO - Kansas is still probably the better team on a neutral court. But, if we play well, we can certainly beat them.
 
I wasn't being too critical of your post and didn't think you were offsides. I'm not a basketball X and O guy and there are times when I wonder what our offensive philosophy is or if we even have one. I have often wondered why in the past we couldn't inbound a ******* ball without looking like *********.

That said, I think he's a great coach, teacher and representative of the school.
 
You ever look at Dogus Balbay, WashU-Horn? If you want to say Turks should have their own racial designation, then that's fine, but that's not how I think about it.

As far as I'm concerned, he's as white as any other eastern European, Grecian, or Russian. I'm not sure what else you'd manage to classify him as, but I'm all ready for it.

If we want to start saying "Men with Western European origins can't jump," I'd say you have me.
 
Turks are not among the groups you listed, and they are not and don't consider themselves to be white. But I smoke what you rollin', a lil pigment here and there, who cares. I am happy as long as he does well and wins us some games.
 
I didn't think you were critical of the post at all, really, Uncle Rico. I appreciated the response, and furthering the discussion.
 
SLX-

I know what you mean. I turned to my brother at the Texas v A&M game in College station and said

"I don't get it, Barnes teams always improve during the course of the season- this is the first one I've ever seen regress (outside of the PJ and Lamarcus year)"

It seemed like, every game up until KU, UT played worse then the game before. Maybe not literally, but it was bad and was bad for a while.

Totally diffrenent, night and day, from what we saw for about 3 weeks there.
 
I'm right there with you, Wulaw Horn.

I'd never seen a Texas team look that good early on. It shocked the heck out of me. Until the Kansas game, I wasn't sure I was going to see them play that well again. The last three games have been a huge relief.
 
Did Maryland's 2002 championship team have a bunch of Jrs. or Srs.? Anyway, how many of them are in the NBA? I'm just sayin....
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Great post on the freshmen!
 
Juan Dixon, Steve Blake, and Chris Wilcox were NBA players of various levels. I'm pretty sure they're all still active in the league, although I don't follow the NBA.

That was a really talented team in retrospect. It's amazing Gary Williams didn't do more with the two Final Fours in terms of program momentum. Bruce Weber thinks he wasted an excellent opportunity.
 
Wilcox only played 2 years of college. Of the 3 Dixon is by far the worst NBA player, and he was the best guy at the college level.
 
Great evaluation of the team SLX.
Barnes pulled the plug after the team got to 11-0 and we were playing very little defense with no one stepping forword to fill the Big man role in the paint. Barnes understands the need for defense to win games. Remember Barnes stated that Damion would be the best defender in the nation, or maybe in the Big 12 ,in preseason I think he stated that. Barnes made defense a priority and he sure was going to have a few big men play a lot tougher in the middle and become a force.

We were soft starting the season and Barnes forced everyone to play tough defense, as in ball pressure, hard screens, help defense, blocking out. We may not be where Barnes wants his defense but we sure are headed in the right direction with Dex, Alexis and Clint in the middle. Barnes wants Mason type of defense from 1 through the 5 slot.

I am sure you noticed that the last 3 games we are running more and started to play like the first 11 games?? Now we can back up the offense with some tough defense just like Barnes wants, we still have to learn to play 40 minutes but we are heading in the right direction.... Barnes knows what he is doing even if we do not agree with him.
 
I've never seen James play D like he did on Monday against the Aggies. Same goes for Gary. There was one play where Gary had to take a guard(maybe Sloan) off a screen. The guard tried various moves with no success as Gary was right there in front of him the whole time. He had to pass the ball.

Over the last three games, it does seem that Barnes has laid off a little but it is also clear the team has gotten the message. Now, we just need to improve FTs and limiting offensive rebounds. The excitement of this season continues to increase for me.

For me, this four man class is much more exciting than a class of early entry players. As a fan, I love getting to know the players and watching them grow. Hell, I've been watching James for almost 7 years now. Our post presence for the next four years is locked up. I can't imagine what Chapman will look like once Wright is done. The thing you notice the most about this four man class is the leadership ability they have and the mental toughness. There may not be a better core to build a team around in the nation.
 
Yes, you are nitpicking. But I'm thrilled you're not pissed anymore and I'm sure Rick is incredibly relieved to have your insights back on the board.

Why even point out that Barnes is no longer doing the things you were so critical of? Is this supposed to suggest you were right? Do we even know that he's stopped? Would we have lost less often if he was less critical earlier? Would we have beaten Kansas?

But then you were shocked at how well we played earlier in the year and I bet you're pretty shocked now. Maybe that's why you have multiple posts in this thread complimenting Barnes on many different areas, especially the one about pushing the players to be the best they can be, even better than they thought they could be. Or maybe you're just covering your bases so no matter what happens the rest of the year you can say "I told you so".

Because that's basically how most of your threads have read this year. I'm sure you won't believe me but I truly hated making this post. You're by far the best poster on the b-ball board.
 
Everyone uses the Klotz example and at the time I thought he was the exception. Now we've all come to find, he's the rule under Barnes.
 
The number of variables -- physical, mental, emotional, logistic -- a head coach has to deal with is mind-boggling. Rick Barnes does so better than most. That said, he's human and he can't see into the future.

Like any great coach, he has certain core beliefs he won't abandon when it comes to teaching a team how to win, no matter what his team's makeup is. There is just no way Coach Barnes will ever prioritize, say, an intricate offense over defense and rebounding. He's not wired that way.

That having been said, I think he made a brilliant, conscious decision early this year to loosen the reins just a bit, allowing the team to gain a few key non-conference victories, right up until he felt that enough was enough and it was time to get back to "basics". Of course, I'm over-simplifying things -- my basketball acumen isn't keen enough to do anything but oversimplify things -- but I honestly think Barnes knew that a couple of high-profile victories would be key in terms of seeding this team in the NCAA tournament, but that adherence to his core philosophy would be key to overall success in the Big XII and beyond.
 

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