The Euro Crisis

MojoMan

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After 19 summits and almost that many "breakthroughs" on the Euro crisis, yet another was announced by European leaders last week.
Don't believe it. When the smoke clears, Germany is not going to go along. And without Germany's willingness to permanently sacrifice their hard earned wealth and their standard of living for a short-term reprieve for other less fiscally responsible countries in Europe, this latest breakthrough falls to pieces. Again.

As Ross Perot famously said, "The devil is in the details," and the "details" of this latest supposed breakthrough have not been worked out, nor will they be. This is just an effort by these European leaders to buy themselves a little more time and kick the can down the road a little bit farther. How many more times do we have to see this routine before everyone realizes they are being played?

Here is an excellent YouTube video of MEP Nigel Farage in the European Parliament setting the record straight on this while tearing President Barroso (of the European Commission) and President Van Rompuy (of the European Council) "a new one," with both of them in attendance.

Euro Crisis Breakthrough Breakdown - Nigel Farage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYoh7XhYe1k&feature=player_embedded

As stated by MEP Farage, these people have no credibility and their latest talk of a breakthrough is not generally believed at this point. He also counciled them not to take any long vacations, as the markets would certainly require them to reconvene in August, regardless of their plans.

Personally, I will be surprised if it takes that long (today is July 3, 2012).
 
I agree…it seems we are just a few months behind them. Reality is that the world's economy is in big trouble. We have massively overreached and an implosion (or explosion) economically appears inevitable. It won't be pretty either.
 
I am sure I was….and that doesn't make me feel much better. I think we can artificially postpone the certainty for a time, but not forever.
 
The Eurozone will not continue in it's current form. Germany is not going to drag itself to the brink of insolvency and will opt out. From what I've read Greece, Spain, Ireland, Italy and France are in serious trouble. Mucho capital is needed toute suite. Who knows what the new form of the EU will look like, but I can imagine, the US economy will be greatly affected by this fiasco and drug into this mess as well.
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"Spain has supposedly been “saved” by a €100 billion bailout.

However, the details surrounding the source of the funding for this “bailout” still remain a mystery as there is no entity capable of providing the €100 billion in capital: neither the IMF, nor the Federal Reserve, nor the ECB have the political backing to launch a bailout of this size… and of the two EU mega-bailout funds, the EFSF and the ESM, the former can’t even raise €10 billion successfully while the latter doesn’t even exist yet.

Indeed, EU leaders have already pushed back the deadline for the creation of the ESM from July 1st to July 9th. And even if they do manage to hit the July 9th deadline (unlikely given that no EU political decision has made its deadline since the Crisis began) both Germany and Finland have stated that they are against the ESM buying sovereign bonds without “conditions.”

As we’ve already seen with Greece, those on the receiving end of the bailout gravy train are not prone to meeting “conditions.” Spain is no different: not only has it missed its budget deficit requirements several times but it is now openly ignoring demands from those propping it up:

Spain PM not to implement IMF suggestions for now

Spain will not immediately implement the International Monetary Fund’s latest recommendations, which include cutting government workers’ wages further, because they are nonbinding advice, the prime minister said Saturday.

The IMF is one of three organizations Mariano Rajoy’s government turned to for an assessment of the state of Spain’s banking sector ahead of a (EURO)100 billion ($125 billion) bailout for failing lenders.
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Regardless of the underlying realities (there’s no money coming anytime soon), Spanish banks shares have risen during the last two weeks while the yields on Spanish bonds (most notably the ten year) and Spanish CDS have fallen.

There are three reasons for this:

1) Traders are praying that somehow the €100 billion will magically appear AND prove to be enough to support Spain’s banking system.

2) Spain successfully (depending on your definition of that word) sold €2.2 billion worth of two, three- and five year bonds (only €2 billion was expected).

3) Two auditing firms announced that Spain’s banks only need between €51 and €62 billion in capital to be solvent again.

Regarding #1, neither the ECB, nor the Fed, nor the IMF, nor the EFSF, nor the ESM, nor China can provide €100 billion for Spain. Those are the facts. The only one of the above entities that could even be a possibility is the ESM which, as noted before, doesn’t exist yet, and which Germany and Finland do not want buying sovereign bonds without “conditions.”

However, let’s say, for the sake of argument, that somehow the ESM is created on time and does have €100 billion to give to Spain (unlikely given that Spain and Italy account for 30% of the ESM’s funding). Even then Spain would still need more capital: remember, Spanish banks are currently drawing €316 billion from the ECB while Spain’s Prime Minister has admitted in private that Spanish banks’ real capital needs are in the ballpark of €500 billion.

Regarding #2: the “successful Spanish bond auction,” the markets are ignoring the fact that during said auction the yields on Spanish five-year paper hit their highest levels since Spain joined the Euro. So Spain can raise money… but at VERY high yields.

The markets also seem to be ignoring the fact that the majority of the buying during the bond auction came from Spanish banks… which, as noted earlier, are currently receiving €316 billion from the ECB. This tells us that:

1) The rest of the world isn’t interested in Spanish debt (for obvious reasons).

2) Even Spanish banks aren’t interested in buying Spanish sovereign debt unless it’s at very high yields (permitting them to pocket the spread between the interest they earn on the bonds and the interest they owe the ECB for the emergency loans they’re using to buy the debt).

In simple terms, an honest assessment of the Spanish bond auction shows it to be an absolute disaster. However, the EU media and political leaders are desperate to play it off as a great success because telling the truth would result in the acceleration of the Spanish banking system’s collapse (which is still coming regardless)."

"EU political leaders and their respective citizenry aren’t the only ones realizing that Greek political leaders are a bunch of crooks; the Greek people are also beginning to realize that their political leaders are not looking out for their best interests or for Greece’s: only 20% of the Greek bailout money went into the economy, the rest went towards paying off Greece’s creditors (read EU banks) and the ECB.

As a result of this, Greeks are increasingly voting for the SYRIZA party which is completely anti-bailout, anti-Euro, and anti-austerity:




October 2009

May 2012

June 2012



SYRIZA’s % of Vote

4%

16.8%

26.9%


As you can see, SYRIZA is rapidly gaining popularity amongst Greek voters. This is extremely problematic as it indicates that should the current, new Greek government fall to pieces (as it most assuredly will… the new Finance Minister just resigned after being in office for only one week), it’s quite possible SYRIZA will win whatever subsequent election takes places.

European leaders will be meeting this Thursday and Friday to discuss Greece and other issues. As the above articles headline reveals, neither Greece’s new PM nor its Finance Minister (they no longer have one) will be in attendance.

However, we already know from the headlines this morning that Angela Merkel will not agree to Euro bonds or any kind of shared deposit insurance if it means “joint liability” (read: Germany being on the hook for other EU members’ bank losses).

We also know that the ECB is not interested in buying more government bonds (it hasn’t for 14 weeks now). And the ECB has stated point blank that Greek negotiations will not begin with Greece “wish[ing] for more time.”


"So, there is a relatively high probability that a Grexit will be coming sooner rather than later. It all boils down to one simple fact: the second the money spigot from the EU to Greece gets turned off, Greece leaves.

Consequently, the real question is: “when does Germany and the rest of the EU stop picking up the tab for Greece?” Judging from the above survey in which even the French and Italians now think Greece should leave the EU if it doesn’t start paying its bills, it won’t be long: Greece will need another €16 billion in financing if the EU accepts its request for another extension (yes, this would be the third bailout)."

That is correct, 12 million RBS customers have been shut out of their accounts and ATM withdrawals for SIX days due to a “glitch.” REALLY?

Let’s be blunt, the EU banking system is a $46 trillion toxic sewer filled with PIIGS debt. Even the ECB’s is not immune to this mess: over a quarter of its balance sheet is comprised of this garbage.

This is why the ECB freaked out and pumped so much money into the EU banking system. You don’t spend over $1 trillion in nine months unless something very very bad is coming down the pike. The fact countries are now actively putting together contingency plans to get their citizens out of EU should give you an idea of how fragile the entire system is over there. Yes, they political leaders will try to float various ideas on how they’ll “solve” the problems, but the reality is that there simply isn’t enough capital available to prop up the system. And the market is starting to realize this (see the yields on Italian and Spanish bonds as well as those countries respective CDS)."
 
Burnt Orange Bevo, I know it is popular and easy to blame the Iraq war and I would love to get a "replay" on that as well. But the truth is that we have massively overreached in our entitlements which appear to dwarf the war efforts. 43% of our spending is on Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security. 19% of our budget is on the Defense Department. Now I know the war is hidden in other expenditures but even if you use the most bloated numbers for the war, you still end up FAR below what we spent on our Keynesian insanity in the past 4 years to try and stimulate the economy. If the issue was just the 1 or 2 Trillion we spent on Iraq and Afghanistan (if that figure is fair) then the 4 Trillion we printed and spent to stimulate the economy should have fixed the problem right?

Just look at Europe who has spent VERY little (compared to us) on the wars we started…..and they are further along than us because of their own spending on what people love to call "social justice."
 
The whole concept behind the Eurozone and even the European Union itself is a bit silly. They thought that by creating interdependence they would be able to avoid a repeat of the second World War. The good news is that they haven't had a major war since WWII. The bad news is that the EU isn't the reason why, and if any of these countries elected a nationalist government with an expansionist foreign policy (like the Nazis), and if the rest of the world appeased that government while it wiped its *** with every major agreement its country had ever made (like they did with the Nazis), none of this crap would matter. There'd be another war.

The other bad news is that these countries basically ignored the economic and cultural differences between them. That isn't a big deal when forming trade agreements, etc., but it's a very big deal in adopting a common currency.

Basically, countries that are economically stable, fiscally responsible, and have a work ethic to speak of are having to pay the price for those who are unstable, irresponsible, and have no work ethic. As politically correct and "culturally sensitive" as modern Western Europeans are, your average German knows he's not the same as a Greek or an Italian, and there's going to be a limit to his generosity. They aren't going to keep taking it in the garage while Greece, Spain, and Italy refuse to get their fiscal houses in order. When the gravy train gets cut off, we're going to see economic calamity and perhaps even violence in some of these places.

Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't anticipate this kind of thing. Go hang out in Frankfurt or Munich, and then go hang out in Naples or Athens. It'll be pretty clear whose people are more responsible, whether we're talking about money, health, infrastructure, or anything else.

And of course, the Brits, Czechs, Poles, the Danes, and the Swedes have all considered adopting the Euro at various points in time. None of them are in a big hurry to join now.

(And of course, the Swiss were never dumb enough to join the EU in the first place and would piss in their pants laughing if someone suggested the adopt the Euro.)
 
BOB,

If we hadn't cut taxes and hadn't fought the War in Iraq (which I opposed) but spent in all other areas exactly the same way, how much different would things actually be? Would we have a balanced budget? Would we even have a manageable deficit? Highly doubtful.

In fact, even if we completely closed the Pentagon (meaning no wars and no national defense at all), we wouldn't have a manageable deficit.

The Left trumpets wars and tax cuts as big deficit drivers, but the reality is that they're not, because they're far too small in the grand scheme of things. That has nothing to do with the merits of either one. I'm only talking about the budget impact and size.
 
The stock markets rallied over the last week on news that a "breakthrough" deal had been achieved on the Euro Crisis, especially as it pertains to European banks. Shortly after that announcement, German Chancellor Angela Merkel whispered to the German people that the deal "changed nothing" and that the small print made in it clear that there would be "no further liabilities".
Well, the German President has now ordered Chancellor Merkel to come clean and explain herself out in the open for all to hear. The idea of giving more German money to these countries and their failing banks is immensely unpopular in Germany, and the German President is apparently committed to having an open public debate about this before proceeding further. Good for him.

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You have to feel sorry for Merkel. She definitely doesn't want to commit Germany/Germans to endless check writing and/or co-signing of debt, but at the same time doesn't want to be the roadblock that brings EU bailouts to a full stop and pushes any of the PIIGS off the cliff.

Rather than wait for Greece to leave the EU and crash the Euro, Germany should be the one to leave first and let all the other countries figure out how to keep the Euro afloat. Going back to the Deutsche Mark would mean that Germany would have an uber strong currency which would crimp their exports, but with some smart hedging, perhaps they could offset this in the financial markets before pulling the trigger. They could also use the strong DM to buy up EU region assets on the cheap in the aftermath. Of course, that wouldn't help Germany's popularity at all, but it's hard to see why Germans should have to keep footing the bill for everyone else's (PIIGS) profligate spending ways.

From Wikipedia...
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The Bush Tax cuts actually increased Tax Revenues in this country, please explain to me how they contributed to the debt?

You do know that by 2005 we had increased tax revenues from 2000 by 5%? There was a slight dip during the recession and 9/11 then in 2005-2008 Tax Revenues soared with the Bush Tax cuts, you do know that right?

The problem has been and always will be when the economy turns south and you use borrowed money to try and stimulate the economy vs. real or money.

If you want to stimulate the economy put money in the hands of the citizens and people that make investments and contribute to the economy like small business owners.
 
BOB, you were the one that introduced the Iraq war into this discussion. I was just curious why Iraq was germane to the Euro crisis but Afghanistan was not.
 

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