The Abbott Beto debate

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I caught part of it online.
I was surprised, maybe shouldn't have been, in how many out and out lies Abbott was able to catch Robert Francis in and verify.
Robert F supporters won't care. Will independents?
Robert Francis will make the election about abortion and maybe gun control. He really played the tragedy of Uvalde hard but Abbott had facts showing the state had given Ulvade everything they asked Before the shooting
Anyone who watched it. Thoughts?
 
Uvalde was an example of government failure. Francis is a proponent of putting more power in the government's hands which means more failures and more massive failures. Any vote for Francis is a vote stupidity and immorality. It should earn a jail cell.
 
I watched it. Jeffers et al were asking about immigration, Uvalde and little else. Slanted a bit I must say.

Beta didn't gain traction imo. He's probably thinking deep down it was a lost opportunity

One of the panelist questions to beta...'you have lost 2 elections recently. Do you keep running for recognition (pause) or to serve the public'?

Even yellow dogs could see through that
 
The shooting of children in Ulvalde was the best thing that happened to Beta Male this year - I'm surprised he didn't try to get steal a bloody shirt from the hospital and wear it to this and all public appearances.

He's a turd and gets flushed in 40 some odd days, probably though will be hired again by some public funded university to bide his time until another go round. The failure of the Texas GOP to keep the publicly paid for university system into becoming totally controlled by the left has been one of their main failings, most probably due to admittance deals for their own C student sons and daughters getting into UT and ATM compared to ACC, where they should start out.
 
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Oh and thanks for watching, so the rest of us didn't have to. Seeing and hearing Beta Male is like having to lift up the lid at a gas station toilet - you really just don't want to.
 
Beta is such a turd. Like most extreme leftists, he has to lie about his beliefs and policy goals.
 
The Pundits were saying this debate would hurt Abbott. That RF could really help himself.
I think the exact opposite happened. RF exposed himself with stupid lies easily and readily disproven
I knew once RF mentioned all the issues His hometown of El Paso was having with illegals and Abbott pointed out the EP is a santuary city with Demx mayor and leadership .
It devolved into RF trying his all earnest kum by ya speech
 
I just started watching the debate on YouTube. I'm only a few minutes into it, and what the hell is wrong with Beta's nose? Anybody else notice something weird about it? Almost looks bent.
 
I think Abbott was pretty shabby in this debate. Beta didn't blow him away by any means, but he was clearly better prepared. Will it make a difference in November? No, but I think Abbott blew an opportunity.

On immigration, Beta is a dumpster fire. He's basically an open border guy and calls for vague "solutions" without offering any. The Texas guest worker program idea is a clever, but it's a total BS answer. The state has absolutely no authority to do something like this. It would have to be done by Congress. Dismissing the bussing of illegal immigrants as a "stunt" is falling flat. It isn't because it's not a political stunt. It arguably is. It's because it's a well-founded stunt, and Abbott defended it well. However, it was Abbott's sole highlight.

Beta handled gun control/Uvalde reasonably well. He redirected from his flip-flop on taking away guns and pivoted to raising the age to buy an assault weapon and passing a red flag law. Abbott flim-flammed quite a bit both regarding gun control legislation and the enforcement problems. He needs to tighten his rhetoric on this.

The abortion issue was centered on the rape issue. Very stupid, but Republicans are always going to be on the defensive if that's the issue. Beta is very well-prepared on it. Abbott tried to change the subject to talk about Beta opposing all restrictions, but I don't think he was very effective. It looked weak, and he did too little to defend his own position.

On law enforcement, Abbott let Beta off the hook way too much. He clearly wanted to throw the "defund the police" mantra on him, but he wasn't prepared with a stupid comment Beta almost surely made when running for president or when Democrats were letting their freak flag fly too high. He also brought up the stupid "hug a thug" policies in blue counties but didn't think to make Beta answer for them.

On energy, he let Beta kick him around way too hard. He presented it all as Abbott's failure, and though Abbott defended himself, he could have hit back much harder. He didn't mention just how rare that winter storm was, and he didn't make Beta comment about green energy or his party's attempts to screw up energy nationwide.

Neither impressed me on property taxes.
 
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Mr. Deez said:
On law enforcement, Abbott let Beta off the hook way too much. He clearly wanted to throw the "defund the police" mantra on him, but he wasn't prepared with a stupid comment Beta almost surely made when running for president or when Democrats were letting their freak flag fly too high. He also brought up the stupid "hug a thug" policies in blue counties but didn't think to make Beta answer for them.
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Abbott didn't need to hit this hard. His commercials on radio regarding this topic are running almost by the hour here in deep east texas. I can pick up wbap easily here, and those ads are running in dfw very often. They're very effective

I bet the ratings for the debate are miniscule. Radio and tv ads are going to have far more reaching effects than the debate
 
The choice is: vote for a Commie Woke trans in hiding or vote for a center right RINO who knows how to operate in the state government corruption zone. As bad as the options are the choice is clear.
 
Horn2RunAgain said:
Abbott didn't need to hit this hard. His commercials on radio regarding this topic are running almost by the hour here in deep east texas. I can pick up wbap easily here, and those ads are running in dfw very often. They're very effective

I bet the ratings for the debate are miniscule. Radio and tv ads are going to have far more reaching effects than the debate
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I agree. I doubt many truly undecided voters watched it live or are doing what I did and streaming it later. That's why I don't think it will make a meaningful difference. However, if he had been on the ball and crushed Beta like he could have, might it have helped him out a point or two? Yes, because though few are watching, many will see clips or read quotes in the news.

And Abbott's an experienced litigator. He should have been able to roll in there, scratch his nuts, and do better than he did.
 
Monahorns said:
The choice is: vote for a Commie Woke trans in hiding or vote for a center right RINO who knows how to operate in the state government corruption zone. As bad as the options are the choice is clear.
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And a few particularly bad moments for both. When Beta was asked if he favored any abortion restrictions, he said he supports Roe being restored. Well, that's a non-answer. Does that mean he supports the Democratic legislation in Congress to "codify Roe?" If so, then that means he supports no restrictions, because that's what the legislation effectively does because the exception guaranteeing post-viability abortion is very broad. Does it mean he supports the restrictions that exist within the Roe framework? If so, an ambiguous answer like his is a terrible way to communicate that in a state that at least leans pro-life. He'd be much better off saying something like this. "I support common sense restrictions that exist within the Roe framework and bring people together like parental notification and bans on late-term abortions, but I don't support full scale bans that broadly deny women the right to control their bodies." That would have truly made him look moderate, but of course, he can't give an answer like that, because we know he actually is an abortion radical like most in his party are.

When Abbott was asked if he had "moved to the right" in recent years as some political scientist suggested, he brought up his adoption which isn't a bad strategy, but then he pretentiously said, "I just govern on my principles." ********. Abbott has morphed much like Rick Perry did.

Abbott started as a corporate lawyer and became a trial judge and got appointed to the Texas Supreme Court to shill for business interests, which he did. He wasn't a social liberal, but he was a businessman's Republican. He focused on the economy, education, and law and order - much like George W. Bush (the guy he emulated and who made him a statewide figure). That's mostly what he was as Attorney General as well. He didn't really start to court the more populist conservatism until he started running for governor, and now that's the center of his agenda. So did he explicitly change his positions? No, but he certainly has changed his priorities and points of emphasis.
 
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I reluctantly turned it on and heard Beto blame Abbott for Uvalde because he is responsible for the DPS. Right. So I turned it off after 30 seconds. How did we go from John Connally to these two in just half a century? The drop off is akin to the one between the first five presidents and the last five

Beto graduated from an Ivy League school. I have taken some chastisement in the past on this board for dumping on those schools’ products but Beto, W, Obama, Clintons and Trump

Ivies all. I’d prefer somebody from the Sun Belt
 
Two of the first five presidents were nothing to write home about either. Adams didn't have the command presence or control of his own party to be an effective president, and that 1797-1801 period was a time of sorting things out in America, after the sort of forced peace with Washington at the helm, no one wanting to upset him.

Madison got us into a war with the Brits that was poorly planned, led, and executed, and very nearly resulted in a total loss by the US. Only some late victories on the Great Lakes, a goal line stand outside of Baltimore at Ft. McHenry, and Old Hickory whipping up on the Limey's in New Orleans salvaged that war.

Monroe is highly under-appreciated as a president, I give you that.
 
As for this race, it's over. Been over since the winter when there wasn't a big freeze that knocked the power off. Beta Male may have been able to surf on some frozen dead bodies to victory, sort of like how he's waving the bloody shirt from Ulavadee, but without some huge problem that Abbott can be directly blamed for, it's back to Sam Houston St. or whatever university offers him a job to "teach" some worthless course.

The university industrial complex is both a retirement destination and soft landing to keep the motor on till another go round, for leftists in good standing.
 
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Beto will teach a class at Columbia on the political intersection of tran dressing rap and non binary bipoc stereotyping as it relates to gun violence and drug legalization and the amelioratory effects of reparations for centuries of racist colonialism and promotion of carniverorous dietary practices

If I have Omitted anything please feel free to help me out
 
First of all, it will not be Columbia, it will be Havad (how it is pronounced up there) in Cambridge, Mass. I went to Havad in the 80's when I worked at Wang Labs. If I had more time that weekend, I would have gone to MIT as well. No classes just went to the campus.
 
It wouldn't shock me to see Beta take on a cushy academic gig, but I lean toward Duck's view that it won't be an Ivy League university. If he's lucky, UT will hire him, but he'd more likely end up at UTEP or the school formerly known as Southwest Texas State University.

It's easy to get lulled into thinking the Left (media, academia, etc.) adore Beta, because in 2018 and right now, they keep his nuts wet 24/7. However, when he ran for President in 2020 and was up against leftists that they really like (Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, and Bernie Sanders), the same people who licked his nuts in 2018 and are doing so now basically called him out as the shallow hack that he is. They only act impressed when he is up against a Republican that they detest. When he isn't, they make it clear that they think he's dumb, opportunistic, and a bit of a weirdo, and frankly, they're right. So I don't think true academic elites at Ivy League universities are going to want him on faculty. People who are smarter, less hacky, and more committed leftists are a dime a dozen. They don't have to bottom feed for guys like Beta.
 
Beto should write a book (via a ghost writer perhaps). It would be full of lots of deep thoughts and pertinent insights.
 
Mr. Deez said:
It wouldn't shock me to see Beta take on a cushy academic gig, but I lean toward Duck's view that it won't be an Ivy League university. If he's lucky, UT will hire him, but he'd more likely end up at UTEP or the school formerly known as Southwest Texas State University.

It's easy to get lulled into thinking the Left (media, academia, etc.) adore Beta, because in 2018 and right now, they keep his nuts wet 24/7. However, when he ran for President in 2020 and was up against leftists that they really like (Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, and Bernie Sanders), the same people who licked his nuts in 2018 and are doing so now basically called him out as the shallow hack that he is. They only act impressed when he is up against a Republican that they detest. When he isn't, they make it clear that they think he's dumb, opportunistic, and a bit of a weirdo, and frankly, they're right. So I don't think true academic elites at Ivy League universities are going to want him on faculty. People who are smarter, less hacky, and more committed leftists are a dime a dozen. They don't have to bottom feed for guys like Beta.
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I think Beta's a no-go as well, but simply because he's a white male masquerading as a Lantino.

Chop said:
Beto should write a book (via a ghost writer perhaps). It would be full of lots of deep thoughts and pertinent insights.
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Beto does not masquerade as a hispanic-----he has a hispanic nickname, which is common among us anglos who live in heavily hispanic areas.

As for Pocahontas, please note that she never got any traction in the 2020 campaign and dropped out very early---just like Beto and that idiot vice president we now have.
 
huisache said:
Beto does not masquerade as a hispanic-----he has a hispanic nickname, which is common among us anglos who live in heavily hispanic areas.

As for Pocahontas, please note that she never got any traction in the 2020 campaign and dropped out very early---just like Beto and that idiot vice president we now have.
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His dad gave him the nickname so that little Bobby wouldn't beat up at school. It was absolutely a masquerading campaign.

Beto is not common slang for white guys. There are only four things us white boys were called in West Texas growing up: gringo, guero, pinche cabron, and baboso.
 
why would having that nickname keep him from getting beat up? Not much of a masquerade. Not any hispanics would mistake him for a guero Mexican. Beto is a nickname for people who are named Alberto or Roberto or Gilberto . Guero just means light skinned and is typically used to describe a Mexican who is more Spanish looking than Indian, or Indio.

My nickname was Gordito and everybody could see I was gordo but nobody would ever mistake me for a Mexican.

I grew up in south Texas so I can't speak to the customs in west Texas, though I did notice that my anglo buddies from the petroplex did not seem to mix too much with the Mexicanos. If one lived in El P like Beto did you would not have much choice.

Beto has plenty of faults (being an Ivy Leaguer for example) so I don't understand the obsession some have with claiming he is trying to pass for hispanic. But then I don't understand the obsession some have with the draft dodging POS president they defend so arduously
 
Beto is tailer made for UNM, the single most ****** up state school in the country. He can easily and quickly step up to Provost and then President. Next the governor's office across town, and back on the national scene.
 
Beta doesn't try to pass for being a literal Mexican like Warren tries to pass for being a literal Native American. He tries to signal a solidarity with Hispanics that a white guy who went to Columbia and joined a crappy punk rock band wouldn't typically have, and he tries to overcome the racism of Hispanic Democrats. He knows that if he ran as Robert O'Rourke, all it would take is someone with a Hispanic surname getting on the ballot, and a huge number of Hispanic Democrats would vote for that candidate for no reason other than his or her name. Running as "Beto" mitigates that some. In fact, if he had run as Robert O'Rourke, most of us would have no idea who he was, because he probably wouldn't have defeated Silvestre Reyes back in 2012.

Some of his supporters are quick to point out that "Beto" is a "real" nickname that his friends actually call him. That may be true, but most people who run for office put their real names on the ballot. I don't remember George W. Bush putting "W" or "Dubya" on the ballot. If a candidate puts something other than his legal name on the ballot, there's a political reason for it.
 
huisache said:
why would having that nickname keep him from getting beat up? Not much of a masquerade. Not any hispanics would mistake him for a guero Mexican. Beto is a nickname for people who are named Alberto or Roberto or Gilberto . Guero just means light skinned and is typically used to describe a Mexican who is more Spanish looking than Indian, or Indio.
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You said it was a nickname for white guys. You were wrong. This statement is more correct. But O'Rourke was named Roberto. He was named Robert Francis. His dad said in an article that he gave the nick name to his own son so that he might fit in better. So you are fighting with his father's word at this point.

huisache said:
I grew up in south Texas so I can't speak to the customs in west Texas, though I did notice that my anglo buddies from the petroplex did not seem to mix too much with the Mexicanos. If one lived in El P like Beto did you would not have much choice.
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My experience is West Texas is much different than the people you met.

huisache said:
Beto has plenty of faults (being an Ivy Leaguer for example) so I don't understand the obsession some have with claiming he is trying to pass for hispanic. But then I don't understand the obsession some have with the draft dodging POS president they defend so arduously
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It is because Francis is fake douche. His forced nickname is another piece of evidence proving it.
 
Having lived in both West and South Texas, albeit far longer in South Texas, I can assure you there are vast cultural differences between the two.
 
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