Texas v Central Michigan
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Great to hear that Cokie is on the floor!
i love that we finally have scoring & rebounding post play again. Just wish that our guards would be consistent scorers too and really expand our options and exhaust other teams' defense. But we're young and should keep getting better.
Go horns!
i love that we finally have scoring & rebounding post play again. Just wish that our guards would be consistent scorers too and really expand our options and exhaust other teams' defense. But we're young and should keep getting better.
Go horns!
Rexy
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73-65 final. Again, Imani is the bright spot, 18 points on 9/10 shooting with 16 rebounds. Chas with 17 points but she hit a couple of late 3 pointers to up her total. Nneka fouled out with only 8 points, Davenport w 8, Rodrigo and Reed w 5 and Sanders w 4. 23 turnovers really hurt and very disturbing are the 11 steals Central Mich grabbed. That won't cut it in the B12. I see some horrendous losses comong up. There is a lot of potential for improvement, but WHEW! This was a stinky loss.
Rexy
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I know this team will improve this season, but dang if they play the way they did today, they could easily wind up with a 9/21 record. The B12 is tough top to bottom and if they don't find some answers, it's gonna be a stinky season. That said, I do expect improvement and I don't expect they will lose 21 games. There's a lot of potential on this team and I think they'll realize it in some way, shape, or form. But as fans, we may have to be really patient.
24 turnovers and 4-17 from behind the arc.
Not looking forward to the Big 12. At least we won't be distracted by top 25 rankings any more.
My early optimism for the team is fading. Lack of first half shooting is killing us. We won't win many games scoring 23 points in the first half and making 24 turnovers in the game. It's troubling that we don't seem to be making any progress on the shooting or on the turnovers.
I expected so much more from this team.
Not looking forward to the Big 12. At least we won't be distracted by top 25 rankings any more.
My early optimism for the team is fading. Lack of first half shooting is killing us. We won't win many games scoring 23 points in the first half and making 24 turnovers in the game. It's troubling that we don't seem to be making any progress on the shooting or on the turnovers.
I expected so much more from this team.
No way to sugarcoat it. This was a very bad loss. And the thought of these freshman point guards attempting to execute this tragic offense in the Big 12 fills me with dread. But I have to believe that this team will win more than 2 big 12 games. Experience will help, and they are hopefully talented and athletic enough to overcome some of the glaring coaching ineptitude. TX out rebounded CMU by 14. The effort is there.
Rexy
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Yes, I think we will win more than 2 conference games, but not if we play like we did today. With both Chelsea and Cokie out for such an extended period, the experience on this team is really limited to Chas. Nneka didn't play extended minutes last year, so our experience and leadership is sorely lacking. They will learn and I think they will get better. Just look at Imani, my goodness she has improved so much. If she can continue on that path and Coach can get the rest of team on the same page, we'll be fine. I'm also hopeful that Cokie can get back to form and I'd really like to see Chelsea back on the court too. So, lots of work to do and little time to do it with a trip to Ames staring us in the face this week and then the sooners on Sat.
It could be a really funky week, but we'll see how they regroup.
At this point, I think it is more about tragic execution than tragic schemes. Having followed the Big 12 stats since the beginning,for the most part, points allowed has been a better indicator for final placement than points scored. Of course, our defense needs to begin with taking care of the ball on offense. Those live ball turnovers will kill us and give our defense no chance. Take care of the ball. Do not give up easy threes, particularly in transition!
"At this point, I think it is more about tragic execution than tragic schemes. Having followed the Big 12 stats since the beginning,for the most part, points allowed has been a better indicator for final placement than points scored. Of course, our defense needs to begin with taking care of the ball on offense. Those live ball turnovers will kill us and give our defense no chance. Take care of the ball. Do not give up easy threes, particularly in transition!"
The current schema on offense is a turnover machine. IF you have been watching the games, you know that this is what 95% of half court offense possessions look like in Aston's "offense," regardless of whether the opponent is playing zone or man, whether the opponent has gifted athletes or scrubs: all TX players run to their spot on the floor - guards to the perimeter, posts to near the paint; the guards pass the ball around the perimeter and then feed the posts. They execute it very well. The only problem that after a few half-court offense possessions, the opposing defense knows exactly what is going to happen, as does the entire arena and it becomes spectacularly easy to defend.
There is a pattern. TX with the exception of the TN game wins the first five minutes, then the opponent recognizes where the passing lanes are and then begins to deny the entry pass, collapses back onto the post players if the entry denial fails, and a bad shot or turnover results. There is almost zero movement without the ball by Texas, no cutting, and hardly ever any dribble penetration, and no screening to create space or a mismatch. Against a 2 3 zone, which many teams have and will deploy against this TX offense, the baseline is open all day, and I have seen Brady Sanders drive it once, and I suspect that was on her own initiative. The passing lanes are so predictable that picking off the pass becomes so easy that as others have noticed it looks like the TX guards are passing to the other team.
If force-feeding the post in a very stagnant offense is the only game plan in the half-court, and I have not seen any other plan, you are going to see a lot of turnovers. In the blowout wins, the team was averaging over 20 turnovers a game, but the war of possessions was won by hugely out rebounding the weaker opponent. That is not going to work against good teams, and is a disaster for our young and inexperienced guards, who will sometimes make silly turnovers of their own. 17 turnovers is the fewest turnovers TX has had in a game in the blowout loss to Iowa, and that is simply because TX was playing against a very patient team that did not allow TX to have enough possessions to have the usual number of 20 plus turnovers.
Force-feeding the posts is not a bad schema. It only becomes a problem when it is your only one. Why do you think Fussell's shooting percentage is falling off? Has she suddenly become a bad shooter? Nearly every shot she takes is a contested one and/or she has had to create it herself. If the best and most experienced guard who was the second highest scorer in the Big 12 last year is struggling to score in this plodding schema, how do you think the freshmen and junior college transfer guards are going to improve their shooting, which the team desperately needs? Runs some screens for them, penetrate and kick out. Try something else. This is not working.
And then Aston last night talks about simplifying things, and my eyes roll deep back in my head. The only way to make this offense more simple, would be for a TX guard to hand over the ball as she crosses half court to an opponent guard and for everyone to hustle back on defense and to try generate a fast break or transition basket through defense!
The offense schema, and it is singular, is almost comic, and it is reaching the point where it is affecting team defense. Of course, when you cannot score when you are doing what you have been taught to do, you get demoralized. Aston is clearly a good motivator and the team fights hard, but that intensity and energy is going to be difficult to sustain when you are celarly being set up to fail on the offensive end.
Moreover, this brand of basketball must be boring and frustrating to play. It is definitely boring and frustrating to watch. Along with injuries, this team's biggest problem is in this stubborn, unimaginative and failing half court offense. Unless something is done about it and 11 games in, I have not seen any sign of that, and it is a little late in the day to start introducing new plays, attendance will continue to plummet, and TX is headed for a place the program has indeed never been before: the cellar of the Big 12.
The current schema on offense is a turnover machine. IF you have been watching the games, you know that this is what 95% of half court offense possessions look like in Aston's "offense," regardless of whether the opponent is playing zone or man, whether the opponent has gifted athletes or scrubs: all TX players run to their spot on the floor - guards to the perimeter, posts to near the paint; the guards pass the ball around the perimeter and then feed the posts. They execute it very well. The only problem that after a few half-court offense possessions, the opposing defense knows exactly what is going to happen, as does the entire arena and it becomes spectacularly easy to defend.
There is a pattern. TX with the exception of the TN game wins the first five minutes, then the opponent recognizes where the passing lanes are and then begins to deny the entry pass, collapses back onto the post players if the entry denial fails, and a bad shot or turnover results. There is almost zero movement without the ball by Texas, no cutting, and hardly ever any dribble penetration, and no screening to create space or a mismatch. Against a 2 3 zone, which many teams have and will deploy against this TX offense, the baseline is open all day, and I have seen Brady Sanders drive it once, and I suspect that was on her own initiative. The passing lanes are so predictable that picking off the pass becomes so easy that as others have noticed it looks like the TX guards are passing to the other team.
If force-feeding the post in a very stagnant offense is the only game plan in the half-court, and I have not seen any other plan, you are going to see a lot of turnovers. In the blowout wins, the team was averaging over 20 turnovers a game, but the war of possessions was won by hugely out rebounding the weaker opponent. That is not going to work against good teams, and is a disaster for our young and inexperienced guards, who will sometimes make silly turnovers of their own. 17 turnovers is the fewest turnovers TX has had in a game in the blowout loss to Iowa, and that is simply because TX was playing against a very patient team that did not allow TX to have enough possessions to have the usual number of 20 plus turnovers.
Force-feeding the posts is not a bad schema. It only becomes a problem when it is your only one. Why do you think Fussell's shooting percentage is falling off? Has she suddenly become a bad shooter? Nearly every shot she takes is a contested one and/or she has had to create it herself. If the best and most experienced guard who was the second highest scorer in the Big 12 last year is struggling to score in this plodding schema, how do you think the freshmen and junior college transfer guards are going to improve their shooting, which the team desperately needs? Runs some screens for them, penetrate and kick out. Try something else. This is not working.
And then Aston last night talks about simplifying things, and my eyes roll deep back in my head. The only way to make this offense more simple, would be for a TX guard to hand over the ball as she crosses half court to an opponent guard and for everyone to hustle back on defense and to try generate a fast break or transition basket through defense!
The offense schema, and it is singular, is almost comic, and it is reaching the point where it is affecting team defense. Of course, when you cannot score when you are doing what you have been taught to do, you get demoralized. Aston is clearly a good motivator and the team fights hard, but that intensity and energy is going to be difficult to sustain when you are celarly being set up to fail on the offensive end.
Moreover, this brand of basketball must be boring and frustrating to play. It is definitely boring and frustrating to watch. Along with injuries, this team's biggest problem is in this stubborn, unimaginative and failing half court offense. Unless something is done about it and 11 games in, I have not seen any sign of that, and it is a little late in the day to start introducing new plays, attendance will continue to plummet, and TX is headed for a place the program has indeed never been before: the cellar of the Big 12.
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There is a pattern. TX with the exception of the TN game wins the first five minutes, then the opponent recognizes where the passing lanes are and then begins to deny the entry pass, collapses back onto the post players if the entry denial fails, and a bad shot or turnover results. There is almost zero movement without the ball by Texas, no cutting, and hardly ever any dribble penetration, and no screening to create space or a mismatch. Against a 2 3 zone, which many teams have and will deploy against this TX offense, the baseline is open all day, and I have seen Brady Sanders drive it once, and I suspect that was on her own initiative. The passing lanes are so predictable that picking off the pass becomes so easy that as others have noticed it looks like the TX guards are passing to the other team.
If force-feeding the post in a very stagnant offense is the only game plan in the half-court, and I have not seen any other plan, you are going to see a lot of turnovers. In the blowout wins, the team was averaging over 20 turnovers a game, but the war of possessions was won by hugely out rebounding the weaker opponent. That is not going to work against good teams, and is a disaster for our young and inexperienced guards, who will sometimes make silly turnovers of their own. 17 turnovers is the fewest turnovers TX has had in a game in the blowout loss to Iowa, and that is simply because TX was playing against a very patient team that did not allow TX to have enough possessions to have the usual number of 20 plus turnovers.
Halleluiah!!! I think txtreefan has hit the nail on the head! Good coaches are made great by recruiting great, but to stay a good coach you have to change quickly. If the fan base knows its coming, OH MY ! My third grade teacher once said, "Now let's calm down, clear our thoughts and put our thinking caps on". Lets get 5 plays that work,3 out of bounds plays we score on,reverse the 5 plays in the second half,and get mad and play hard defense.START HERE
If force-feeding the post in a very stagnant offense is the only game plan in the half-court, and I have not seen any other plan, you are going to see a lot of turnovers. In the blowout wins, the team was averaging over 20 turnovers a game, but the war of possessions was won by hugely out rebounding the weaker opponent. That is not going to work against good teams, and is a disaster for our young and inexperienced guards, who will sometimes make silly turnovers of their own. 17 turnovers is the fewest turnovers TX has had in a game in the blowout loss to Iowa, and that is simply because TX was playing against a very patient team that did not allow TX to have enough possessions to have the usual number of 20 plus turnovers.
Halleluiah!!! I think txtreefan has hit the nail on the head! Good coaches are made great by recruiting great, but to stay a good coach you have to change quickly. If the fan base knows its coming, OH MY ! My third grade teacher once said, "Now let's calm down, clear our thoughts and put our thinking caps on". Lets get 5 plays that work,3 out of bounds plays we score on,reverse the 5 plays in the second half,and get mad and play hard defense.START HERE
Seattle4UT
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Ya'll gave former million dollar coach 5 years.... it's only fair to give the same courtesy to allow her system and her own recruits to play itself out. Some of the comments as of late are a bit harsh.
I'm not thrilled Texas has lost both games in the Maggie Dixon Classic in San Diego. Chalk it up to inexperience for all from top to bottom.
Iowa State and Oklahoma will test Texas and tell us how far back our program really is.
I'm not thrilled Texas has lost both games in the Maggie Dixon Classic in San Diego. Chalk it up to inexperience for all from top to bottom.
Iowa State and Oklahoma will test Texas and tell us how far back our program really is.
utfannforlife
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I'm never giving up on the program but lets call it what it is, I'm concerned. Seattle, Coach G did not meet expectations here clearly, but I don't know that we were ever to the point of losing to a CMU. We may want to get it together really soon or this could be a rough b12 season with no ncaa appearances.
Seattle4UT
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I hear you utfann. The loss to CMU qualifies as a big egg laid.
Creme just knocked out Texas from his 12/31 bracketology.
Creme just knocked out Texas from his 12/31 bracketology.
I'm not sure what to expect from these youngsters, except a roller coaster ride. I was disappointed with the two losses in San Diego, along with everyone here...and I assume the players and coaches.The disappointing first half droughts in the UCLA and TN games now feel like a potential pattern which could keep us from the NCAAs. I think the last time we brought in 6 freshmen we didn't make the NCAAs either. Not sure about that.
On the other hand, you never know when a group that includes 8 players with no D-I experience and a sophomore with limited minutes from last year will get comfortable with their own roles & with working as a group and might turn it around. What I know from being a sports fan is that surprises never stop.
The change in Imani from the beginning of the season is impressive. All the post players have made great strides. Now, we need similar coaching and transition in our guards.
I don't think we necessarily have a problem with offensive schemes and gameplans, as much as we have an execution problem. I see them practicing set plays that utilize screens, inside/out passing, baseline cuts, etc, but I don't see them executing them as well as we need them too. They haven't become natural yet; players are still thinking a lot and timing is off. I chalk that up to inexperience of so many players at once.
We'll get there -- time and experience will bring better execution - but it might be a gut-wrenching roller coaster ride this year.
On the other hand, you never know when a group that includes 8 players with no D-I experience and a sophomore with limited minutes from last year will get comfortable with their own roles & with working as a group and might turn it around. What I know from being a sports fan is that surprises never stop.
The change in Imani from the beginning of the season is impressive. All the post players have made great strides. Now, we need similar coaching and transition in our guards.
I don't think we necessarily have a problem with offensive schemes and gameplans, as much as we have an execution problem. I see them practicing set plays that utilize screens, inside/out passing, baseline cuts, etc, but I don't see them executing them as well as we need them too. They haven't become natural yet; players are still thinking a lot and timing is off. I chalk that up to inexperience of so many players at once.
We'll get there -- time and experience will bring better execution - but it might be a gut-wrenching roller coaster ride this year.
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