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Since Frank Broyles has retired as athletic director at Arkansas he has revealed some information that has not been known. On a local radio station during an interview Broyles stated that when Arkansas went into the SEC, Texas and Texas A&M had agreed to do the same once Arkansas joined, for some reason it didnt work out. Just wanted to know what you thought? What would the Big 12 be like without Texas? Do you wish you were in the SEC now, espically with the new ESPN contract?
 
No I think Texas is far better a fit in the Big XII. I would rather us not be lumped in with a bunch of east coasters.
 
Yes, I can't bring myself to care about the other Big XII schools and states. They all blow (except CO), and unlike UT, they're all regional schools. Texas doesn't have natural rivalries with these other schools, except OU and UT football. The SEC would provide us with competition against some near-equals.
 
As a Texas fan, I can see why folks that are fans of another team, especially a rival dislike us. There isn't much that they can say though to knock Texas: Austin, Attractive Co-eds, elite athletics, excellent academics, etc... but they just don't like us. After some point, they probably don't particularly remember why they hate us, but they just never recall it any other way.

With the SEC, it is similiar. I don't want to be in that conference. I have seen all the "SEC SEC SEC" chants and heard all the bragging that now I just wouldn't want to have anything to do with it.

The deal with ESPN means nothing to me, we have our own prestige that I don't think a TV benefits us as much as it will a school like Texas A&M or KState.

Don't get me wrong, our Big 12 bretheren would love that deal, but we don't need it.... We're Texas.

The irony of all this is that I live in Little Rock and wont be able to see the FAU game because Comcast wont have FSN PPV. Would this ESPN-SEC deal make it different if we were included? No, the Hogs' game vs. Western Illinois won't be picked up.
 
for football reasons it would have been nice. but someone has to be a bottom feeder. that would be TOO strong of a conference, if there is such a thing.

plus, geographically texas is most certainly SW, not SE. I know arkanssas is pushing it as is.
 
Wow, if that had really happened the SEC would be just scary. The football games would have been fantastic, but I feel that we wouldn't be holding on to a 10 win seasons streak though.
 
First, thanks for asking a serious question that we can debate rather than starting a flame war like several recent Hog first time posters (who are now gone).

Personally, and I really am not throwing aspersions on Broyles, I have a hard time believing that Dodds really agreed to move to the SEC (not to mention the president). While I'm sure that the allure of the money was (and is) there, the SEC just doesn't offer quite what Texas would be looking for. The Big12 is a better fit, though I know that the Big10/11 and the Pac10 have been serious contenders as well. As a fan, I'm quite content to be in the Big12. We have done very well on the national championship stage in much more than just football. It also helps that I can drive to most away sporting events instead of having to fly everywhere (like I would for the SEC).
 
I've never been a big fan of Texas being in the Big XII, but I'd be less of a fan of us in the SEC. aggy, who knows? They seriously intended to get into the SEC, before having their minds changed by the possible loss of PUF funds. Texas was leaning toward the PAC 10, with Colorado a strong possibility for that league too, but UT didn't want to lose PUF funding either.

The Big XII still feels like a shotgun wedding to me, but the Horns are stuck here for a while, and could do worse money-wise. All the money in the world would NEVER make Texas a fit in the SEC.
 
Texas has done quite well with the Big 12 arrangement both on the field and at the bank.
#1 in Merchandising
#1 or #2 in Athletic Dept. Revenue
Recruiting
Facilities
Academically, the Big 12 has 7 AAU member universities (the SEC only has 2). The Pac 10 also has 7, the ACC has 4, Big East has 3, The Big Ten is the only conference with more members and they have 11.

The Big 12 is arguably one of the best leagues in the country with the SEC being the only other than can make that argument. While the SEC just signed its new contract, they've also eliminated any option to start their own proprietary network, which is something that the Big 12 is probably going to do. The Big 12 and Pac 10 are looking at a deal where they can share resources for their own networks.
 
Might be more fun in sports, but Austin, TX is defenitely not SEC material. Different way of life, although B/CS, TX (and East Texas in general) might fit in more with the SEC. Not to mention how could our rival be SC or UK? They are just too far away.
 
I agree that Texas belongs in the Big 12 and yes those 10 win seasons would be possible but not as often. Im just intrigued by the huge matchups, its to bad the Big 12 dosent play the SEC more often, glad to see you guys play us this year! Good luck against zerOUniversity this year, I have to put up with them folks alll the time.
 
I too am one who feels that the Big XII was forced upon us, but it was a necessary move Texas had to make. What were the alternatives? Independent? Pac-10? yeah right. The SEC would not be a good fit for Texas either because of all the aforementioned posts.

However, I would love to see a new Big XII conference with the following teams: (clearly hypothetical)

South:
Arkansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

North:
Colorado
Colorado State
Kansas
Kansas State
Nebraska
Missouri
 
Yes the SEC did eliminate their own shot at a proprietary network and they did look into doing that but in my opinion they did something better. The big 10 Network gets about 6Mil per school, per year. The SEC will get about 12Mil per school on a yearly basis plus national exposure. Just my opinion but the SEC outdid the Big 10 with this deal.
 
When talking of only football I think Texas fits better with the historical perspective of Nebraska, OU, Colorado (early '90's) which is good, hard-nosed football with the big hogs up front, usually a good RB, etc.

If Nebraska, Colorado, and Mizzou stay on their upward trend, aggy and Okie-lite improve and TTech keeps hanging around then the conference is not too shabby.

For all the SEC boasting they break down into levels as well:

Florida
Georgia
LSU
Alabama?

Tennessee
Auburn
Arkansas
South Carolina

Ol Miss
Miss State
Vandy
Kentucky
 
Good point Bobek. For logistical and financial reasons, nobody but the Big XII was a good fit. I always thought Texas has a lot more in common with the Pac and Big 10's, but distance precluded either of those happening. The Big XII is a definite step up from the SWC, and Texas does get the exposure and a nice piece of change for being in it, so I guess it's a necessary evil for the time being.

You mention some kind of realignment...ain't gonna happen. arky and LSU are happy where they're at, and nobody else would be a good fit.
 
I think conferences need a private school to be able to keep some of their financial information out of the public eye. I've heard this and it is about the only way you can explain virtually every conference having a private school.

And I agree with the question mark next to Bama.
 
I would take the SEC over the Big 12 especially in light of recent events. Other than the old SWC schools we have about as much(or less) in common w/the Big 12 as we do the SEC West schools. How would this division sound?

TEXAS
TEXAS A&M
ARKANSAS
LSU
OLE MISS
MISS. STATE
ALABAMA
AUBURN

We could still play OU OOC just like we did for some 80-odd years. Play TT every other year or so. Screw Baylor, OSU and the rest of the rinky-dink Big 12 North. Of course this type scheduling would require Mack, DeLoss etc. to grow a new set of stones. But yeah I'd go for it.
 
Unless the SEC would have designs on a sixteen team league, so as not to be unbalanced, no way aggy and us would fit in with a revamped SEC West...and why take on that kind of headache. I may not be the biggest fan of the Big XII, but us being in it is far and away superior to any plan that puts us in the SEC. We can get where we want to go with the Big XII...especially if the north really is starting to hold up their side of the conference, as it appears.
 
Not an insider, but at the time, Texas A&M was seriously rumored to be courted by the SEC, but the SEC wanted Texas and Texas A&M, and Texas did not want to go to the SEC. That's my understanding. The university president did not consider the league a good fit academically, so despite the promise of mucho dinero, we sniffed the Pac Ten and the Big Ten, good fits in many ways, but not geographically, and settled on forming a totally new conference, the Big XII.
Imperfect arrangement, but good financially, geographically, and competitive in several sports.
Politics was involved, both in the halls of academia and the corridors of the state capitol. These politics precluded any serious consideration of joining the SEC. Maybe some inside the athletic department would have favored the arrangement, and maybe some discussed this with Frank Broyles initially. He might have thought there was a better chance at the time.
 
The logistics of this would suck. It's OK for the Georgia football team to fly everyone to Austin once a year or so but you have to also fly the womens basketball, mens basketball, womens softball etc... The travel costs and time travelling half way across the country makes this a tough merger - unless you form two sub conferences like East and West and do most of the travel in each of those.
 
I like us remaining in the Big 12, but I do with it had some bigger national appeal besides just UT, OU and Neb.

Would love to see Baylor and ISU swapped out for other schools.
 
Nothing is more lack luster than turning on ESPN at 11 am to find a Big 10 game against a couple of 2-4 teams..

Unless it BU and Wake...But it is an opener and not Northwestern and Indiana dry humping.
 
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