Terry on-the-fencers, how you like him now?

[Sangre Naranjada]

The long knives came out real quick after TCU.

How does this game fit into your common thesis that Terry just isn't good enough to be head coach here?

 

[mchammer]

The long knives came out real quick after TCU.

How does this game fit into your common thesis that Terry just isn't good enough to be head coach here?

Horns know how to maul their opponents at “home”. From whom do you think they learned that? Not Terry, not by a long shot.

 

[LHABSOB]

Horns know how to maul their opponents at “home”. From whom do you think they learned that? Not Terry, not by a long shot.

So I guess it's safe to say Terry has nothing to do with this team shitting the bed on the road, they learned that elsewhere by a longshot??? I just don't understand how you arbitrarily choose where to give him credit and where not to give him credit. I think this regular season exceeded the expectations I held as of December 10th.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

So I guess it's safe to say Terry has nothing to do with this team shitting the bed on the road, they learned that elsewhere by a longshot??? I just don't understand how you arbitrarily choose where to give him credit and where not to give him credit. I think this regular season exceeded the expectations I held as of December 10th.

He was jokingly referring to Beard's mauling episode at home.

 

[LHABSOB]

He was jokingly referring to Beard's mauling episode at home.

I'm not usually the guy on the board that needs someone to spell it out for me. But clearly I did here. Thanks Sangre!

 

[horninchicago]

I'm not usually the guy on the board that needs someone to spell it out for me. But clearly I did here. Thanks Sangre!

Jeez man, I don't even know you anymore.

 

[txhorn_et]

Last I looked, Rodney Terry wasn’t missing shots from the field or free throw line, or turning it over, or not blocking out or not rebounding, or playing ole’ defense, or…

Give the guy some credit. He, along with his staff, held this team together when they could’ve called it in.

Great win today Horns!’

 

[FWHORN]

Whether Terry will be the head coach next year gets decided over the next two, three and hopefully four weeks. Today was great but Texas has had a lot of good regular seasons and a lot of fun regular season wins the last decade plus but that hasn’t translated to getting past the first weekend of the tournament. That will be the proving ground and will determine if Terry sticks around or not.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Whether Terry will be the head coach next year gets decided over the next two, three and hopefully four weeks. Today was great but Texas has had a lot of good regular seasons and a lot of fun regular season wins the last decade plus but that hasn’t translated to getting past the first weekend of the tournament. That will be the proving ground and will determine if Terry sticks around or not.

Yes it will, and yes it should. My problem is with fans who definitively declared Terry wasn't suited for the job after only the first couple of games post-Beard. They had been forced to retreat from that position as Texas kept playing well and winning a lot. But a solid number of them showed their true colors again in the TCU game thread.

 

[txhorn_et]

The selection committee will have the Horns travel to BFE. Can’t look beyond that first round opponent and get to far ahead. One game and one win at a time.

 

[NJlonghorn]

Whether Terry will be the head coach next year gets decided over the next two, three and hopefully four weeks. Today was great but Texas has had a lot of good regular seasons and a lot of fun regular season wins the last decade plus but that hasn’t translated to getting past the first weekend of the tournament. That will be the proving ground and will determine if Terry sticks around or not.

So Terry gets to stay if his first attempt exceeds what almost all of his predecessors have accomplished. That’s a fair standard.

 

[caryhorn]

So I guess it's safe to say Terry has nothing to do with this team shitting the bed on the road, they learned that elsewhere by a longshot??? I just don't understand how you arbitrarily choose where to give him credit and where not to give him credit. I think this regular season exceeded the expectations I held as of December 10th.

Of course Terry deserves credit for this win over KU. The team was prepared and played great defense and good enough offense to carry the day handily.
I disagree with the view that the season exceeded expectations. I expected the horns to either tie or win the B12 regular season outright. That was with Beard as the head coach at the first of the year.
After Beard was fired all bets were off. This team is more experienced and has more depth than KU. KU has a great guard who is leading the league in in scoring, and a good starting lineup. Horns have better depth.

The problem the horns have had since Terry took over has been inconsistent play. Coming out slow and digging themselves into a hole. Playing intense D for half a game. Not consistently crashing the boards and doing the grunt work it takes to rebound at a high level.
The jury is still out on Terry, imo. If the horns get to the elite 8 then I think he'll deserve a contract. Getting to the Sweet 16 is a minimum.
With the talent and depth on this team I expect at least two wins in March Madness.

 

[ViperHorn]

After watching both Kansas games it should be clear that the teams are close. The difference is Texas' losses to Baylor at home and TCU in Ft. Worth. Both showed evidence of "give-up or probably better-stated loss of focus" which one does not want to see in an experienced team.

Placement in the NCAA Tournament will be critical for Texas as Kansas seems to be able to rise to the occasion when they absolutely have to. (Yes they didn't yesterday but then they are the Big XII Champs.)

 

[old65horn]

This team did not meet my expectations. Every game broke our way yesterday to finish 2nd, not 1st as i had Imexpected. Every game we needed, including ours broke our or we could have finished 4th in conference.

i was not opposed to Terry as head coach during the first part of conference play, even after the KSU home blow out. My opinion was not change after our regular season final game. Terry inherited a gifted team loaded with seniors.

my period and current opinion, Terry should not be our post Beard HC, has not changed.

the multi game double digit deficits, the failure to use time outs to make adjustments and stop those runs was frustrating. He did not have his team ready to play end of season road games where we played low energy game after game. I question his coaching in the OU game where we really did not protect 5 point leads in the last minutes of regulation and OT and failed to call Time outs to give directions.

Carr has struggled at the end of the season yet he was still running iso plays and forcing desperation shots while he seemed to always be 2-11. and 0-7 from 3. I saw no change from Terry until the Kansas game. He still had horrible shooting stats but was passing instead of iso dribbling and a brick.

Terry has a HC record. Look at it. In my opinion, he is a very good AC but an average HC.

i am not a hater but a doubter. I do not want another unproven HC that Takes us 5 or 6 years to make a change.

 

[moondog_LFZ]

I like the way Terry held the team together after Beard was let go.
And they've played really well at home.
But as far as I'm concerned, we should be putting a trophy in the case right now. We'll see what happens in the tourney, but I'm not convinced that he's the guy necessarily.

 

[1sahorn]

If you had told me in October that Beard would be fired before Christmas & we'd finish the regular season with 20+ wins, 2nd place in regular conference play, 1 game behind ku, beating ku in a season finale beatdown, possible 1 or 2 seed/probable 2 - no worse than 3 seed in the Big Dance; I would have grabbed it & run to the bank. We'll see how we do @ The Dance. The more games we win, the more likely RT will be our coach next year. If we have an Abilene Christian ending, Rodney may be sitting next to Shaka next year.

 

[Horns11]

I'm thinking we say "1 year, $4MM, an option for the University to pick up for 2024-25, you'll need to add about 8 players from the portal, take it or leave it."

Knowing HC egos, I doubt he would take it.

 

[ViperHorn]

I'm thinking we say "1 year, $4MM, an option for the University to pick up for 2024-25, you'll need to add about 8 players from the portal, take it or leave it."

Knowing HC egos, I doubt he would take it.

No sane coach would take that deal. A HC with a one year contract is a dead man walking.

 

[Chop]

NCAA Tournament - recent (last 15 times) Longhorn results (how far we advanced)

2022--Round of 32
2021--First Round
2018--First Round
2016--First Round
2015--Round of 32
2014--Sweet 16
2012--Round of 32
2011--Sweet 16
2010--First Round
2009--Round of 32
2008--Elite 8
2007--Round of 32
2006--Elite 8
2005--First Round
2004--Sweet 16

So, basically, when we make the Big Dance, we're usually either out in the First Round or the Round of 32. That's the norm for this program--first or second round. Making the Sweet 16 is really good performance. Making the Elite 8 would have us jumping for joy.

So, if Terry's Longhorns make the Sweet 16 (or better), Terry is a shoe-in for the "permanent" position. If we make the Round of 32 or First Round, it's up in the air.

 

[old65horn]

if Terry's Longhorns make the Sweet 16 (or better), Terry is a shoe-in for the "permanent" position. If we make the Round of 32 or First Round, it's up in the air.

so, you are saying if we lose to a 15 seed in the first round it is "up in the air"?

 

[ViperHorn]

NCAA Tournament - recent (last 15 times) Longhorn results (how far we advanced)

2022--Round of 32
2021--First Round
2018--First Round
2016--First Round
2015--Round of 32
2014--Sweet 16
2012--Round of 32
2011--Sweet 16
2010--First Round
2009--Round of 32
2008--Elite 8
2007--Round of 32
2006--Elite 8
2005--First Round
2004--Sweet 16

So, basically, when we make the Big Dance, we're usually either out in the First Round or the Round of 32. That's the norm for this program--first or second round. Making the Sweet 16 is really good performance. Making the Elite 8 would have us jumping for joy.

So, if Terry's Longhorns make the Sweet 16 (or better), Terry is a shoe-in for the "permanent" position. If we make the Round of 32 or First Round, it's up in the air.

Chop, any reason you didn't include the Final 4 in 2003?

 

[Chop]

Chop, any reason you didn't include the Final 4 in 2003?

I took it back 15 years of NCAA tourney appearances. If you wanted to, you could take it back 20 years, 25 years, or even 30 years. At some point the relevance declines quite a bit.

 

[ViperHorn]

I thought you went back 20 seasons which would have included 2003 s the 2024 tournament has not happened.

 

[Walking Boss]

I didn’t think Terry was the long term answer sat head coach when he was appointed interim and he really hasn’t moved me off that opinion. His record as a head coach elsewhere is”meh”. Exceptional head coaching ability would have shown up before now even at the lesser programs where he was head coach. I think he is an excellent assistant coach and that is the best roll for some coaches. Football, for example, has numerous coordinators who are best suited for being a coordinator and not a head coach (Sarkisian could fit this mold, time will tell).

This team is an experienced team with some talent. Terry did a good job keeping it together early on under the circumstances. Did he get the most out of the team? I would say no. The team is undersized and has to play with intensity on defense and on the boards to be a national contender. They didn’t do that on the road for the most part and for too often for long stretches at home. The intensity was the “Beard” factor that Terry doesn’t bring to the table. His game management was too often lacking as well.

I expect that they will win their first round tourney game and after that it is all about the matchup you draw. If they draw a team that is big and physical in the paint or with an elite rim protector they could be shown the door early. In any event, the expectation for this team at the beginning of the season (at least post Gonzaga) was at least sweet 16.

I think there will be extreme pressure on CdC to make Terry the head coach regardless of the tournament. My expectation is that Terry will get the job. If he does, he better be able to work the transfer portal or next year the season could go the way that sand aggy’s season went this year.

 

[NottaHorn]

Hold on everyone! You guys had the exact same complaints about last year’s team. Scoring droughts, complaints about Carr going cold and continuing to take bad shots, Beard waiting too long to call timeouts (his late game management is his Achilles heel) But I would argue that this year’s team has way more fight in it than last year’s team. More heart…way more heart. Marcus Carr is great when he’s great, and he ain’t when he ain’t.That hasn’t changed, but this year Hunter and/or Rice are there to pick up the slack, and keep Carr from becoming a total head case when he goes cold. And when one of those guys seemed to disappear, someone else stepped up. The credit may go to Beard for building this team, or to Terry for not just “keeping the team together” but for keeping them in the fight each game or to the players for not giving up during a tumultuous situation. (It’s probably a combination of all three)

So my question is…if Beard had produced this exact same season, fighting back into and winning close games, would he be in the hot seat right now? Would you be saying Beard isn’t worth keeping around if he doesn’t make it past the Sweet 16? (I know, I know there’s the Barnes example, but I don’t think any of you are looking back at that personnel decision as being good for your program)

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

So my question is…if Beard had produced this exact same season, fighting back into and winning close games, would he be in the hot seat right now?

No. The Terry haters have always been primarily invested in being proven right in their knee-jerk opinion that Terry isn't the guy. If Beard was still in charge, every one of them would be thrilled with the possibility of being a 2 seed, and would be talking about what a murderers row the BigXII is, and glossing over every wart they now want to magnify.

 

[old65horn]

No. The Terry haters have always been primarily invested in being proven right in their knee-jerk opinion that Terry isn't the guy

I disagree with your characterization of everyone now that do not think Terry is the guy have always had that opinion. Several posters that have expressed their opinion that he is not the guy have listed the reasons. Most of us originally we wait and see what and how he does. That trial period is over now for me now.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

The wait and see crowd isn't who I have in mind. I'm in the wait and see crowd (though I am more optimistic than you). The primary difference between you and I is that the trial period isn't yet over for me.

EDIT: There is a more vitriolic subset of Longhorn fandom (not present on HornFans as far as I know) that takes your pessimism several steps further. Though you and I disagree about our current level of support for Terry, I haven't perceived you to be fundamentally disrespectful of the man nor of the job he has done.

 

[old65horn]

The wait and see crowd isn't who I have in mind. I'm in the wait and see crowd (though I am more optimistic than you). The primary difference between you and I is that the trial period isn't yet over for me.

EDIT: There is a more vitriolic subset of Longhorn fandom (not present on HornFans as far as I know) that takes your pessimism several steps further. Though you and I disagree about our current level of support for Terry, I haven't perceived you to be fundamentally disrespectful of the man nor of the job he has done.

that seems fair. However, I believe we are the larger group of the total that now believe Terry is not the long term solution but I hope we can keep him as an AC..

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Coach of the year.