Terrorists use mentally disable as terror bombs

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hornarama

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I don't know why I ever think the terrorists can sink no lower. Before I would endorse a world where it is ok to do this I would quietly slit my own throat.

handicapped bombers

This is a "holy war"? Using the mentally disabled as cannon fodder to kill other random innocents. It is just amazing, there is actually an organization that can countenance this.

If there was a god, these guys would be struck down in an instant and there would be no virgins in the after life. Instead they would constantly have grenades stuck where the sun doesn't shine.
 
How Horrible. Good thing I am ignorant of history, or I might find out that people throughout time have exploited the weak for military gains.

Good thing I am dumb because I might even understand how terrorists recruiting retards is not indicative of Islam, but rather it is indicative of the terrorists.
 
It is not indicative of Islam in general, but it is indicative of Al Qaeda's version. These are guys fighting a "holy war" with the backing of many many individuals at all levels of their religion.

And yes, in history there is probably no attrocity that thas not been done. But please explain the military objective of using handicapped bombers to blow up a bird market. Remember this is not a response to someones oppression, but only an attempt to destabilize in order to obtain more power.

It is like a chicken game where the terroists claim to fame is that they can be so much more horrific in what they are willing to do, that they think they deserve to win.

The thing that amazes me about the whole thing is that this is not a few individual terrorists but an organization that continually comes up with such things as blowing up schools and mosques, online beheadings of kidnapped aid workers, and now using the handicapped as cannon fodder to blow up other innoncents.

This is not the middle ages, but these guys have medieval perspectives on what is OK. To the point would you work for an organization that does these things? How are they able to recruit so many that are willing? How do so many people continue to support them?

Surely, the Iraqi people will rise up and throw these Al Qaeda out.
 
I just saw this on cnn. It immediately made my eyes tear up. Un-*******-real. I can't imagine how people like this can exist.

Off all the bombings and BS in Iraq this one really upsets me.
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I know the first thought that popped into my head after reading this story was pity the poor Muslims, the ones who aren't blowing up disabled people and whose image will get tainted because of a few bad apples. They are the real victims here.
 
One day, we can hope, at least all the real Muslims will turn on these pretenders and label them the apostates that they truly are. The punishment for being an apostate to the religion is death. It is time their religion did a little apostacy cleansing. But I'm afraid encouraging that might not lead to the intended consequences we might think.(those challenging the aggresive/fanatical 'Muslims' might be the victims yet again)

The stereotype should build till the self-policing commences. If there is no shunning from within the community for those mis-behaving,(even for the actions described in the OP)there will be no action by those ruining the reputation of the whole community. Tacit approval, perceived approval through inaction, can only be explained away for so long before the difference between the bad actors and the tacit approvers is muddied beyond difference.
 
Iraq is our Suez war. We will have to leave, and will get to stay only because the House of Saud likes us. That's okay, because buying petroleum will become unnecessary.

However, China does not have the capital or technology to grow its own fuel. They also lack the morals that prevent us from winning guerrilla wars. They will fill the void that we leave in the Middle East, and this **** will stop in about a year once they are well established. Human life means absolutely nothing to the Party.
 
I guess is you're willing to kill totally innocent people of all ages and both genders, without knowing a thing about them except their nationality or religion, using the mentally ill (and murdering them of course) for such wickedness is not a moral stretch.

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Nivek,
you posted "I disagree with the premise they are fighting because of religion. Religion is an excuse, the reason is power."

I truly question if most of these people planning and executing these horrendous act sprimarily against other muslims know what they want beyond the act of planning aned executing
But I also don't know: Power to do what? or for what? Don't most say they want to "power" to have islamic run gov'ts? to rule under sharia?
I don't know that we have seen such a long period of acts of murder commtted in the name of religion for hundreds of years. If these acts are not committed with the purpose ofr revenge on another sect of muslims and to institute sharia law
 
The people blowing themselves up certainly aren't concerned with power. They're trying to kill "infidels" and get to heaven with the 72 virgins. In other words, they're dying for their religion.

On a grander scale, however, I believe the terrorists are fighting for nothing less than the takeover of what they see as an evil western society by their own twisted brand of Islam and rule by Sharia Law. That's their goal. I guess you could call it "power", but to me it's inheritantly tied to their religious beliefs.
 
I agree Woland, and that's basically what I was trying to say, I just did a poor job of saying it.

And I think the Russian Revolution comparison is a good one.
 
As horrific as the story genuinely is, I think the implications are profound, and perhaps auger well for our efforts in Iraq:

1) Al Qa'ida in Iraq ("AQI") used to have an endless supply of volunteers to carry out suicide bombings. And those suicide bombers were almost uniformly successful. The change in tactics away from volunteers and towards people who are incapable of refusing demonstrates that either (a) they don't have any/many volunteers left, (b) they don't believe their volunteer suicide bombers would be effective, or (c), a combination of the two.

If the truth is that they've run out of suicide bombers, then that can only be a good thing. Of course, in the near term, it means that we're going to have more bomb belts strapped to people who are unable to refuse (e.g., children and the mentally retarded). But in the long term, even the supply of those people will dwindle as children and loved ones protect these possible victims.

If, on the other hand, the truth is that AQI think their existing group of volunteers would not be able to carry out an effective suicide bombing, then it can only be because we have improved in our detection and prevention. Either way, that's good to hear.

2) As the Soviets found in Afganistan, targeting children and the weak doesn't instill fear in the populace, because most people view themselves as strong. It just pisses them off. And that's what AQI is doing right now--pissing off the Iraqi people. They're really doing more to lose this war right now than we could ever do to win it.
 
I think the Russian comparison is backwards. The people being duped into strapping bombs on themselves are not too bright and are envisioning their promised paradise and the belief that they will be a part of making a powerful state. The leaders who are not doing the dying... are the ones waiting for positions of power/influence.

But that is how I see it.
 
That is disgusting if true, but how do they know that the women were mentally retarded? I know they said they found body parts, but were they identified?

Just wondering.
 
What the NPR corespondent said yesterday was that the two women were known at the market. That they carried the bombs was confirmed when they found their severed heads, evidently a typical result of blowing yourself up by strapping explosives on your torso.
 
what LonghornLawyer said. they wouldn't be using these kinds of tactics if things were going well. this act will repulse everyone.
 
I have a great idea. Let's just believe what we're all being told here, because, like, it's worked so well for us up to this point.

This story may well be true, but in viewing link after link, I can find just two kinds of reporting: Blind trust in the word of an Iraqi gov't spokesman (the vast majority) and acknowledgement on the part of the U.S. Military that they haven't actually been presented with any evidence backing the claim up, but "see no reason to doubt the claims".
 
So sad that liberals take the terrorists side. Sometimes, I wish that every American had to serve two years in the military so these liberal traders would see first hand the success our military is having, the resiliance of the Iraqi people, and how disturbed the enemy is vs. believing what their liberal media tells them.

But, since Obama doesn't believe there are any terrorists in Iraq I guess they don't either.
 
I asked about the facts of this, because it sounded so disgusting and I would have obviously thought it would have been counter productive for these terrorist groups to use mentally handicapped people.

Just as I don't blindly believe when the terrorists make crazy claims either.

It's got nothing to do with 'liberals taking the terrorists side' but everything to do with honesty and integrity and factual information in news reporting that we should all insist upon.

Asking for facts and truths is not taking sides. Do you honestly think by asking these questions that it equates to wanting innocent people killed and terrorist organizations to win?

That is an asinine and ignorant assumption.
 
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