Terminator Salvation

Texas0407

Texas0407

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Huge disappointment. After seeing it last night, I'm convinced McG hasn't even seen the first three movies. What a letdown. Anyone else seen it yet?
 
Have tickets for tomorrow, so we shall see. Your comments, as well as some reviews I've read does dampen my anticipation somewhat.
 
Don't get me wrong-- it has great effects and action sequences. But it just doesn't live up to the Terminator franchise. Maybe my expectations were set too high? I've been pumped about this movie ever since I heard Christian Bale signed on to play John Connor.

Let me know what you think after you see it.
 
how is McG pronounced - I had never heard of hte guy until now

is it Mick-G?

Is it emm Cee G?

WTF is up with that name?

Then i look at is IMDB page:

The Link

And it appears he has done a bunch of episodes of fastlane and the OC as a producer.

As a director he has done umm We are Marshall.

If anyone is a movies guy how does directinbg we are marshall get you the job directing terminator 4?

I'm not idssing the guy, I have no idea if he's any good or not other than having an odd moniker. I'd just like to know more.

It also says terminator 5 is in devlopement.

OK here is the explanation and it seems reasonable.
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Saw it today. The overall so-so reviews have been spot on.

I give it a 5/10. About on the same level as T3. Action was better, but plot was actually a little worse.

There are some, major, major plot holes; and Skynet has got to be the dumbest computer ever invented.
 
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McG directed both Charlie's Angels movies which combined to make over $500 million worldwide. While they may or may not be ****** movies, they were big action, financial successes. In Hollywood, he's definitely considered an A list director/producer.
 
With the exception of a cinematography award, I hope the movie fails. I'm never going to pay a cent to watch Christian Bale ever again. I won't even watch him or his movies on TV. If my buddy happens to have the next Batman in his blue-ray or dvd collection, then maybe I'll watch.
 
MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MAJOR ******* PLOT HOLES...

1) If Skynet knows who Kyle Reese is, then why don't they kill him right away and thus erase Connor from existence?

2) How in the hell does Skynet even know what Kyle Reese looks like? Where did it get the data to know what he looks like?

3) In this timeline, how does Skynet know that they "failed" in sending back other Terminators when it's questioning Marcus in the computer room? The time machine hadn't been created yet! It's like all Skynets (past, present and future) are linked.

4) How in the **** does Connor sneak into Skynet so easily?...******* please.

5) How come the Terminator at the end of the movie can't kill Connor's in one swift blow?

6) How in the hell does the resistance have airplane hangers and a base in the middle of the dessert? Airplane fuel is in abundance too I guess. And a submarine for a central base? ******* stupid.

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1) They wanted him as bait for John, but you're right, they should have killed him immediately.

2 & 3) Good questions

4) Marcus disabled the security so he could get in.

5) Cause the writers didn't want him dead.

6) The airplane hangers bugged the **** out of me too. The sub didn't bother me, although I thought the resistance had way too much military hardware in general.
 
When y'all saw it, did the entire theater laugh when Christian Bale says "I'll be back"? My theater did. I'm pretty sure at this point, everyone had given up on the movie and was just laughing at it.
 
During the first half of the movie I was tempted to walk out of the theater, go home and put T2 in the DVD player. The 2nd half of the film picked up, but cliched hokeyness abounds throughout and the music score must have been just an afterthought.

This could have been a good film and isn't really a bad one, but it is a woeful disappointment to me due to my expectations going in.
 
It was entertaining, but very average. I honestly thought that this had the potential to be great.

A few other things that bugged me (in addition to questions already asked) is:
Why does Skynet have external controls? Seriously, do they plan on calling geek squad for some maintenance

Why is Skynet taking hostages?


I think Skynet knows what Reese looks like thru Marcus Wright. Skynet only identifies Reese after Conner interrogates Marcus. Which leads me to believe that Skynet could remotely see what MArcus sees but had no control of him as to not arouse any suspicion within the humans.
 
Another question about Skynet....

Who or what built it? Where are all the 1000's of little worker droids that it would take to build a small city like that?

Inside Skynet's main building...Why are their ceiling lights and all the some of the creature comforts that humans need...like doorknobs, key pads, etc.? Why do robots need overhead lighting?
 
Sadly, this series of movies has suffered from time paradoxes and plot holes from the very beginning. I say this as someone who really enjoys the story anyway.

The first issue was in the first movie when James Cameron decided to make Reese the father of John. This is such a problem because in the event that Skynet is destroyed (T2) or delayed (T3), then either Kyle is never sent back in time (because Skynet never exists, it never creates the time displacement generator to send a terminator back to 1984) or he is from a different version of the future than what we saw in T1. When the Kyle from the new movie (T4) goes back in time, is he going to say that Judgment Day happened in the 20th or 21st century? If the Kyle from T1 is somehow the same guy from T4, then was he lying to Sarah when he told her JD was in 1997?

It would have been so much better if Cameron had written it so that the first terminator came back in time and killed Mr. Sarah Connor shortly after impregnating her, with Kyle sent back to protect her.

The second issue is the general paradox you have when altering a timeline. We saw this most clearly in T2. After blowing up the Cyberdyne building and causing the death of the man most responsible for Skynet, Arnold and the T1000 don't fade away into oblivion like Marty McFly almost did in Back to the Future; they're still there. So, did the universe just instantaneously "course correct" (see "LOST") or did it create an alternate timeline whereby nothing that happens in the new timeline can affect what happened in the "old future" (see "Star Trek")? If it's the former, then the past really can't be changed, so what's the point? If it's the latter, then you can only affect a timeline that is not your own, so what's the point?

I'm not sure if it would be "better," but a re-write where Arnold in T2 does not have knowledge about Dyson and is somehow thwarted in the attempt to destroy Cyberdyne would have avoided the paradox. This would be more along the lines of "whatever happened, happened" (see "LOST").

We see the issue again in T3 when the TX kills members of the resistance. Once a person on the list is killed and never makes it to the future, is the name ever on the list in the first place? If erased from existence, then how was it on the list to begin with. If not, then you haven't changed the "future" you came from and the Skynet from that "future" is either not affected by the change or is eradicated along with everything else in that timeline.

A previous poster asked a series of really good questions. One of them dealt with what Skynet knows about the past and future. My guess is that the Skynet of T4 has better access to "records from before the war" than the Skynet of T1 did. The first terminator made the news after killing two women named Sarah Connor and then destroying the police station holding the real Sarah. Skynet also knows that it was constructed by USAF after purchasing Cyberdyne. Sarah made a foiled attempt to blow up Cyberdyne which got her thrown into Pescadero (public record). After escaping from Pescadero, as told to us by Enrique, she, John, and the second terminator were all over the news. The destruction of Cyberdyne again made the news. In the third movie, I can only assume that the fight at the end is noticed by Skynet.

Of course, at the end of this latest movie, why is it that Skynet can only send ONE terminator to kill John and it somehow can't figure out how to crush a skull with its immense strength?
 
Terminator wasn't introduced into the series until the second movie... but since then, the general explanation seems to be that the future the travelers come from is not in the same time line. The TV show in fact addressed this problem directly with two time travelers from the future reporting different dates for "judgment day". If this is the explanation, then there is no chance of paradox.
 
It needed major script rewrites to be a better movie. Bale should have played Marcus Wright, not Connor. He wasn't a sympathetic Connor at all and I never felt like I cared about his character.

The revelation that Marcus Wright was a robot/human hybrid was given away on the preview....what a jip...perhaps the movie would have been better if we didn't all know that going in.

T1 and T2 involved the Sarah Connor character. As a female heroine she added a sense of vulnerability against the terminators that just added something extra to the movie. You always felt like the humans had about no chance of surviving. In T2 Sarah Connor fighting spirit and a good terminator helped to beat out an ever advancing, technologically improved terminator model. In this movie you get to watch Connor and Marcus Wright do whatever they want to those silly robots.

Vintage 84 Arnie was pretty cool. There was maybe a second there that I thought that Connor had no chance. I honestly don't really know what the point of this movie was. They should have started right after D-day and taken the Connor character from that point. Maybe that would have been better. Make him very vulnerable early on b/c he hasn't developed his terminator fighting skills completely.
 
Stinkerino. At one point, I think my eardrums actually touched each other in the center of my head. The movie was preposterous in both detail and grand scale. And whoever above said that they wasted Christian Bale is dead on correct. One problem for the movie is that it has a divided point of view. The movie should be Marcus'.


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At the end, I got the feeling that McG must have turned to his creative staff or entourage of YesMen and said, what's the one crowning preposterous element we can add to this film.

"Hmmmmm, how about a heart transplant in the desert under camo netting?"

"Genius!"



I can see why Bale was a little edgy on the set. He was doing his damnedest to breathe some life into this very loud corpse.


Thanks, my friends. I feel better now.
 
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