Take a long hard look

[Musburger1]

This video is blocked on YouTube. This is our government.

 

[VYFan]

Well, I made it through 27 minutes of that. What is the main point you wanted me to take?

 

[ShAArk92]

perhaps it's blocked because it's feature film duration and speaks in gross generalities with a heavy dose of presumption ...

From the outset, it's giving a character review of a nation's system of government and, as we know, its people.

Odd that anything objective could be construed from state-run media, right?

I gave-up at 13:48

I don't know the details of this expulsion of Russian Diplomats, but the propaganda of "we were the victim and did nothing wrong" when we did this, we were so considerate ...

Then the effective equivalent of a "laugh track" with the universal applause.

I just got wore out ... evidently she carries-on for almost an hour!?

Thanks for the link Musburger ... perhaps someone with more patience and allowance than I have right now can "interpret" these remarks ...

But that's my first thought on this one.

 

[Musburger1]

Well, I made it through 27 minutes of that. What is the main point you wanted me to take?

If you take away nothing from what was revealed, then you are a lost cause. The sad thing is, if the entire nation watched the entire clip, 95% would be totally unaffected just as you are. Neither law nor integrity mean anything.

 

[VYFan]

It isn't that I took nothing-- I didn't know anything whatsoever about all that, which is why I listened (well, watched the blonde and read subtitles). I learned the gist of her viewpoint, and being uninterrupted and unchallenged, naturally it was persuasive.

My question was not sarcastic but actual; what do you want me to take from the video?

(I'm not a lost cause--I learn by asking)

 

[ShAArk92]

I simply find it a real challenge to give credibility of truth to the Russian media. They are the basis for what we've dubbed "Pravda" in our own liberal media for crying out loud.

95% would be totally unaffected just as you are. Neither law nor integrity mean anything.

this really goes beyond being an ideologue/"demagoger" ... to say any/all who watch this and not affected are a bunch of losers, liars, thieves ... other skallywag type ...

That's a strawman in itself.

Our government has issues because The People allow it. The people allow it not because they are losers, et al ... but because they've become lazy in the aggregate.

That DOESN'T validate the Russian perspective. They are still communists who walk by the beat of the Big Govt. Not free in any definition of the word. I will endorse truth whether it originates here or there ... but when it's THERE, the source is suspect from the outset.

 

[Musburger1]

It isn't that I took nothing-- I didn't know anything whatsoever about all that, which is why I listened (well, watched the blonde and read subtitles). I learned the gist of her viewpoint, and being uninterrupted and unchallenged, naturally it was persuasive.

My question was not sarcastic but actual; what do you want me to take from the video?

(I'm not a lost cause--I learn by asking)

If you watched 27 minutes you should have listened to the final four since that is where the conclusions are drawn. Go back and finish. This is what it amounts to.
1. The deep state is unaccountable, both to Trump and the American public. An arm of the deep state which includes the state department and the intelligence agencies does as it pleases without consideration of law or interventionally accepted norms.
2. The press is literally owned by the deep state and no longer investigates or holds powerful actors responsible.
3. US policy now systemically works toward confrontation rather than toward cooperation through diplomacy.
4. The latest iteration of the diplomatic closings was designed to once again focus on Russia in order to deflect attention away from the criminal actions of the DNC.

 

[Musburger1]

Communism is gone. The Communist party in Russia has about as much influence there as it does here. Putin has denounced communism as a failed system. Have you been sleeping the past quarter century?

 

[ShAArk92]

Have you been sleeping the past quarter century?

yeah ... that's me Rumplestilskin. Putin denounced communism ... sure. They have a real free market over there, don't they? Their people are really free to choose a vocation, too. They support a government with a relatively low percentage of their labor/purchasing, right?

The wall in Berlin fell ... and the iron curtain fell. Their basic form of government is still very much old school ... just has a little dressing on it now.

Rose is a rose, Musburger. The left tried to redefine their "label," too, but we all know it's anti-American. The problem there is that the so-called conservative party has been infected with the same disease.

Anyhow ... I try to avoid being in "bumper sticker" conversations ... but an hour-long video is over the top. Sorry.

And ... it's still government-run media. Why would you expect it to be anything but positive about the Russian government? Why would you expect it to say anything good of the US government (moreover it's structure, not just of personalities in it)?

 

[VYFan]

If you watched 27 minutes you should have listened to the final four since that is where the conclusions are drawn. Go back and finish. This is what it amounts to.
1. The deep state is unaccountable, both to Trump and the American public. An arm of the deep state which includes the state department and the intelligence agencies does as it pleases without consideration of law or interventionally accepted norms.
2. The press is literally owned by the deep state and no longer investigates or holds powerful actors responsible.
3. US policy now systemically works toward confrontation rather than toward cooperation through diplomacy.
4. The latest iteration of the diplomatic closings was designed to once again focus on Russia in order to deflect attention away from the criminal actions of the DNC.

Does the deep state have an organization or is it just inertia?

Is it people against Trump that initiate this and he is politically trapped not to be able to salvage simple courtesy to Russia? Or is is possible that Russia actually is getting over the top in their espionage and interference (note that I have no belief they caused the election outcome)?

I think the mainstream press is mainly just dyed in the wool progressive. Are they actually with the deep state or just liking it now that it is tripping up Trump?

 

[ShAArk92]

this sounds like the illuminati allusions, eh @VYFan ?

And "alt-right conservatives" are the conspiracy theorists.

 

[VYFan]

My questions are not rhetorical. I was just expressing the questions I would ask someone who was into this topic.

 

[Musburger1]

Does the deep state have an organization or is it just inertia?

Is it people against Trump that initiate this and he is politically trapped not to be able to salvage simple courtesy to Russia? Or is is possible that Russia actually is getting over the top in their espionage and interference (note that I have no belief they caused the election outcome)?

I think the mainstream press is mainly just dyed in the wool progressive. Are they actually with the deep state or just liking it now that it is tripping up Trump?

The deep state is not an organization. It is a non-monolithic group of powerful people that manage policy outside of the formal mechanics of government. They use think tanks, NGOs, and lobbyists to shape and implement policy. The large media companies use pressure and money to shape public opinion as evidenced by the endless repetitive loops and repetitive talking points we continually are bombarded by. The military-industrial complex has grown into a near trillion dollar economy that thrives on fear.

Trump evidently posed a threat to the deep state. It appears they are still opposed to Trump and want him removed, yet it also appears much of Trump's authority has already been usurped, especially in light of the appointments he's made and the direction of foreign policy.

The deep state wants a compliant President who is an effective mouthpiece and has the ability to placate the public while at the same time follow the path laid forth by the deep state regardless of the direction the public wants. Trump isn't quite what they are looking for.