Swamp Draining at State Department

Seattle Husker said:
It's horrible that an employee working for the Environmental Protection Agency has a passion for the environment? To think, we used to slam government bureaucracy for employees that didn't care. It's truly become bizarro world.
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You are allowed to feel however you want to feel about this
 
Seattle Husker said:
OK. Carry on mocking public employees with passion for their jobs.
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I just love how their passion for their job made so much money for that environment agency that the government didn't have to use the tax payer's money. :rolleyes1:

We have too many people that depend on the government for jobs. They need to get into the real working market where they have to actually produce to keep their jobs.

We have to get away from the pussification of America. Time for the snowflakes to grow up. So get out there and toughen up buttercups.
 
mchammer said:
That's the problem. They are more suited to be working as activists, not disinterested government employees carrying out policy.
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That sounds good until you get down to the details. Let's say that Congress has said a nutrition program is important enough to be funded. An agency has someone on point to drive this program with ?XXX budget. This agency rep is working with private sector teams to deliver the program.

Y'all want that agency rep to be a mindless bureaucrat? Do y'all celebrate every time you walk into the DMV? How does that jive with all the discussion regarding "run government like a business"? For those that have direct reports in your real world job, is "lack of passion" a core competency?
 
I am more interested in the American people draining the swamp of the House and Senate. Names I want to see gone - Schumer, Pelosi, Durbin, McConnell, McCain, Graham, Alexander, and Cornyn. There are many more - these would be a good start.
 
I35 said:
I just love how their passion for their job made so much money for that environment agency that the government didn't have to use the tax payer's money. :rolleyes1:

We have too many people that depend on the government for jobs. They need to get into the real working market where they have to actually produce to keep their jobs.

We have to get away from the pussification of America. Time for the snowflakes to grow up. So get out there and toughen up buttercups.
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That's exactly how I wish most agencies were funded, by the groups that need and/or are subject to the services and rules of said agency. The primary thing that is wrong with EPA is that the leadership selectively utilizes data to fit an agenda. However, their mission is important and I would say necessary. There are just as many bad actors in the private space (I would argue, even more). Many of these private sector bad actors would pursue their own interest and leave us consuming the mercury, arsenic, lead, etc. The private sector has done it over and over again.

Does the EPA need fixing...absolutely. Does it need to be the model of transparency about the science....Yes. Does it need to be demolished...emphatically 'NO'.
 
Seattle Husker said:
That sounds good until you get down to the details. Let's say that Congress has said a nutrition program is important enough to be funded. An agency has someone on point to drive this program with ?XXX budget. This agency rep is working with private sector teams to deliver the program.

Y'all want that agency rep to be a mindless bureaucrat? Do y'all celebrate every time you walk into the DMV? How does that jive with all the discussion regarding "run government like a business"? For those that have direct reports in your real world job, is "lack of passion" a core competency?
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Yeah, passion is overrated. Passionate people need to fund their own passions, and do the boring, essential stuff at work.
 
Seattle Husker said:
It's horrible that an employee working for the Environmental Protection Agency has a passion for the environment? To think, we used to slam government bureaucracy for employees that didn't care. It's truly become bizarro world.
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More like a passion for job security...my guess is that very few of them had the true capacity to see beyond the keyboard and assess the detrimental impact of so many of the useless and costly policies implemented by that agency.

Are there some things that were for the better, sure...but as a general rule, 'a fortune, pissed away.'
 
Your hero is a clinical example of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and a lot of people are going to bail on working for him and will be replaced by ideologues and yes men and his relatives.

Whoopee.

What happens the first time he tells his Attorney General to do something that exceeds his authority and Sessions tries to explain the Constitution to him?

Or Tillerson tells him the downside to just ignoring treaty obligations? Or that cratering the Mexican economy will send a few million more poor Mexicans north for the jobs Republicans don't want to pay Americans enough to get their interest?

There are going to be a lot more people quitting on this ahole before his whole enterprise crashes and burns.
 
Your enthusiasm for things Trumpish reminds me of how happy the secessionists were in 1861 when their delusions still had not popped.
 
huisache said:
Or that cratering the Mexican economy will send a few million more poor Mexicans north for the jobs Republicans don't want to pay Americans enough to get their interest?
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That's what's a little ironic about this strategy. We want them to stop coming here, we've seen decrease in illegal immigration in the last 1-2 years due to a stronger Mexico economy yet now we want to negatively impact that said economy increasing their desire to come here to work in the fields, yards and hotels in jobs that American's clearly don't want.
 
I worked my way through five years at UT doing those jobs. My kids could not get low paying jobs working in slaughterhouses, doing field work, roofing, etc, which is one reason i am in favor of immigration restrictions.

But i find it passing strange that it is mostly Republican business owners who hire them and save money by doing so.

I love Mexico and Mexicans but enough is enough and a lot of our welfare problems could be solved if employers had to pay higher wages because of a tight labor market.

Jail the employers. Like Trump?
 
huisache said:
I worked my way through five years at UT doing those jobs. My kids could not get low paying jobs working in slaughterhouses, doing field work, roofing, etc, which is one reason i am in favor of immigration restrictions.

But i find it passing strange that it is mostly Republican business owners who hire them and save money by doing so.

I love Mexico and Mexicans but enough is enough and a lot of our welfare problems could be solved if employers had to pay higher wages because of a tight labor market.

Jail the employers. Like Trump?
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Want to kill the illegal immigration problem? Spend the $15B-$25B that will be spent on a wall to crack down on employers. Dry up Central America's ability to come here and get work and they'd go home. They aren't coming here for the healthcare or the education. Those things aren't valued as much in their culture. It's the $$$ that they want.

American's don't want to work in the fields picking fruit or hoeing weeds. I suspect you'd struggle to keep a slaughterhouse going too. Is that due to low wages or general laziness of Americans?
 
Seattle Husker said:
Y'all want that agency rep to be a mindless bureaucrat? Do y'all celebrate every time you walk into the DMV? How does that jive with all the discussion regarding "run government like a business"? For those that have direct reports in your real world job, is "lack of passion" a core competency?
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I can't speak for anyone else, but to me there's a big difference between being passionate about (for example) protecting the environment, and being passionate about an ideology that tells me HOW the environment should be protected.

The former wants to do a good job, and looks for ways to do that within the system, making sure they perform their job as well as they can because they believe that they're doing good. The latter decides that unless the EPA is actively pursuing progressive policies, then we are NOT protecting the environment. The EPA under Obama has clearly been stacked with the latter (and to be fair, it's probably always leaned toward the activist side), but now you have an organization that doesn't care about the people for whom it works, and only is concerned with serving "Mother Earth." So there's no reason to work with businesses to make sure solutions are workable and equitable.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Want to kill the illegal immigration problem? Spend the $15B-$25B that will be spent on a wall to crack down on employers. Dry up Central America's ability to come here and get work and they'd go home. They aren't coming here for the healthcare or the education. Those things aren't valued as much in their culture. It's the $$$ that they want.

American's don't want to work in the fields picking fruit or hoeing weeds. I suspect you'd struggle to keep a slaughterhouse going too. Is that due to low wages or general laziness of Americans?
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They did not seem to have trouble finding workers for the slaughterhouse when i worked there---they were all Americans. You would have to pay them more and I disagree that Americans are lazy. Maybe it is just the ones you know? Lower class people like where I came from were always good for hard work and in fact preferred it. It was not until I was nearing 30 that I preferred white collar to manual chores
 
huisache said:
They did not seem to have trouble finding workers for the slaughterhouse when i worked there---they were all Americans. You would have to pay them more and I disagree that Americans are lazy. Maybe it is just the ones you know? Lower class people like where I came from were always good for hard work and in fact preferred it. It was not until I was nearing 30 that I preferred white collar to manual chores
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Sorry, didn't mean to demean everyone but I do feel that overall our society is a bit lazier than they were in previous generations. Maybe that's a direct result of having 3 teenage boys growing up in surburbia.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Sorry, didn't mean to demean everyone but I do feel that overall our society is a bit lazier than they were in previous generations. Maybe that's a direct result of having 3 teenage boys growing up in surburbia.
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Maybe it has something to do with the parenting?
 
Seattle Husker said:
Sorry, didn't mean to demean everyone but I do feel that overall our society is a bit lazier than they were in previous generations. Maybe that's a direct result of having 3 teenage boys growing up in surburbia.
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I wonder why they feel entitled and no need to work for what they get? :cursing2:
 
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