Spurs - Bucks Trade Official
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hornpharmd
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Jefferson isn't exactly a spring chicken. He's 29 and going into his 9th NBA season. He's always been a scorer, a guy who can give you 15-20 points a night. A good pick up.
Spurs seem to be giving up a bit defensively though.
A good move in taking 2 of your older players off your roster and replacing them with younger guys.
Spurs seem to be giving up a bit defensively though.
A good move in taking 2 of your older players off your roster and replacing them with younger guys.
South Austin
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Sad to see Bowen leave, but happy to see the Spurs get a good scoring wingman.
El Torito
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Jefferson also brings a a level of discipline the Spurs always covet in a player - strong work ethic and a team first attitude.
And for all the Mavs fans toasting Bowen's departure, don't chug the champaign too fast because, as others have hinted at, Bruce may be wandering back down I-35 to SA. . .
And for all the Mavs fans toasting Bowen's departure, don't chug the champaign too fast because, as others have hinted at, Bruce may be wandering back down I-35 to SA. . .
210-816-Horn
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Now the Spurs need some front court help....I hope they are not counting on Matt Bonner or Ian Mahinimoninaminini to contend in the West. If so, this trade doesnt mean anything at all.
El Torito
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Agree with you 210. I too am concerned about jettisoning two big (although older) men, especially Kurt Thomas. I want to make sure Duncan isn't the only legitimate big man.
I am guessing that Pop is sufficiently satisfied with Ian's development. but I think he's banking on Drew Gooden, who, if he stays healthy, could provide a lot of help.
I am guessing that Pop is sufficiently satisfied with Ian's development. but I think he's banking on Drew Gooden, who, if he stays healthy, could provide a lot of help.
NEWDOC2002
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Bowen's a good guy off the court apparently. Very involved in the community. Seems to have taken SA as home.
I don't feel bad about losing Oberto. He never really came through on his potential. Thomas is bit of a loss, but he is pretty broken down. Best case scenario is we get Jefferson AND bring Bruce back in a couple months.
The comment about him being a Spur for life is absolutely true. He got his degree from UTSA, makes a big impact in the community, and he is a fan favorite.
The comment about him being a Spur for life is absolutely true. He got his degree from UTSA, makes a big impact in the community, and he is a fan favorite.
Bruce has a rather large footprint in San Antonio. I hope, for his sake, that he is able to come back to SA to finish out his career. He just completed a beautiful new house, which includes another house on the property that his in-laws are moving into. He and his wife opened up a high end spa on the northside and he some commercial real estate around that spa too. He is a very bright guy and has a lot in the city that he is involved with professionally, personally and through volunteer efforts, etc. I think Milw will cut him.buy him out and he'll be in black and silver for the next season.
How much he will play and what kind of contributor he'll be is another matter. His skills have definitely diminished. BUt he's a great leader/locker room guy and he's been through thwe wars with this team. He belongs in San Antonio.
How much he will play and what kind of contributor he'll be is another matter. His skills have definitely diminished. BUt he's a great leader/locker room guy and he's been through thwe wars with this team. He belongs in San Antonio.
I like reading Hollinger from espn.com
Jefferson trade puts Spurs in title hunt
By John Hollinger
ESPN.com
The first rule of NBA trades is "Follow the money." It's the only way to make sense of a seemingly lopsided deal, such as today's swap that reportedly sent Richard Jefferson to the Spurs for Kurt Thomas, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen, pending league approval.
For starters, understand that the Bucks painted themselves into a dark, ugly corner last season by trading for Jefferson and Luke Ridnour right as the economy was going into the tank. Those deals added more than $20 million in contracts for 2009-10 just as the luxury tax level is slated to decline.
That, in turn, had the Bucks slated to be well over the luxury tax line this year if they wanted to keep restricted free agents Charlie Villanueva and Ramon Sessions, both of whom are due large raises from their rookie-scale contracts. For a rebuilding team like Milwaukee, losing its two best young players would have been disastrous, so money had to be saved someplace else.
This deal does the trick in a big way. Oberto is guaranteed only $1.9 million for the 2009-10 season and Bowen only $2 million. Both will likely be waived in the coming days in order to avoid paying their full salaries (Bowen becomes fully guaranteed on Aug. 1, Oberto on July 1). The trade will save Milwaukee $6.35 million in payroll, and possibly more if the Bucks can reach a buyout agreement with Thomas.
That money will be put to good use. With roughly $9.4 million in wiggle room now available under the luxury tax line, the Bucks are in a much better position to defend against offers to Villanueva and Sessions. Even if re-signing both puts the Bucks slightly over the tax line, they'll have until the trade deadline to strip the extra dollars from the payroll and could easily shed Charlie Bell or Malik Allen at that point to get back under. The Bucks can also get further under the tax line by trading the 10th overall pick in Thursday's draft.
So it's not such a head-scratcher after all from the Bucks' side: They basically just traded Jefferson for Villanueva and Sessions. They never should have put themselves in this position in the first place, but it was a pretty crafty escape maneuver.
As for the Spurs, it's another example of how their superior cap management allows them to make deals that aren't available to a lot of other teams. Because the Spurs had three players on short-term deals and two of them weren't fully guaranteed, they were able to send out three role players and get back a starting small forward. Jefferson should provide a dramatic upgrade from the Michael Finley-Bowen combo that manned the position a season ago, and he adds a desperately needed shot creator to take some of the heat off Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and the increasingly brittle Manu Ginobili.
That said, the Spurs took a larger risk on this deal than we're used to seeing from them. The deal basically takes San Antonio out of the 2010 free-agent market since Jefferson is owed $15 million in 2010-11 (he has an opt-out that he'd be insane to exercise), and one wonders if he's an ideal fit with the Spurs. Jefferson has been a high-volume scorer with middling efficiency, and really has been riding off his reputation a bit the past two seasons. At this point, he's one of the league's most overpaid players.
However, one thing that may have caught San Antonio's attention was his 39.7 percent mark on 3-pointers in 2008-09, a career high that he set by taking far more attempts than he'd taken in the past. The Spurs ask their small forwards to spot up in the corners as much as any team in the league, and Jefferson made 54-of-118 (45.9 percent) from those spots a season ago. If that wasn't a fluke and he nails it consistently, he can really make opponents pay for doubling Duncan, Parker or Ginobili.
The deal surprisingly also makes small-market San Antonio a tax payer, putting the Spurs $4.5 million over the tax line for this season without a real obvious remedy for getting back under. They could save some of it by drafting a foreign player with their first-round pick (not exactly unheard of around these parts) and the rest by trading either Matt Bonner or Roger Mason for a non-guaranteed deal, but at that point they'd be cutting into bone.
The other interesting wrinkle will be whether the Spurs try to re-sign Bowen or Oberto to minimum contracts once the Bucks waive them. Bowen in particular has been a huge part of San Antonio's defensive philosophy, and even in his diminished state he could have value as an elder statesmen and occasional rotation player. Oberto could probably make more money in Europe at this point, so it may be the last we've seen of him on this side of the pond.
Regardless, the big takeaway for the Spurs is that they just rolled the dice on Jefferson's potential to pry their championship window open for another year or two. The threesome of Duncan, Ginobili and Duncan clearly didn't have enough help this past season. If Jefferson can make it a fearsome foursome and retain his improved 3-point touch from the corners, it could launch the Spurs back into the title hunt.
And the other teams in the West have to be shaking their heads, because at first it seems unfathomable that the Spurs could get a 20-point scorer for three spare parts. But follow the money, and it all makes sense.
Jefferson trade puts Spurs in title hunt
By John Hollinger
ESPN.com
The first rule of NBA trades is "Follow the money." It's the only way to make sense of a seemingly lopsided deal, such as today's swap that reportedly sent Richard Jefferson to the Spurs for Kurt Thomas, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen, pending league approval.
For starters, understand that the Bucks painted themselves into a dark, ugly corner last season by trading for Jefferson and Luke Ridnour right as the economy was going into the tank. Those deals added more than $20 million in contracts for 2009-10 just as the luxury tax level is slated to decline.
That, in turn, had the Bucks slated to be well over the luxury tax line this year if they wanted to keep restricted free agents Charlie Villanueva and Ramon Sessions, both of whom are due large raises from their rookie-scale contracts. For a rebuilding team like Milwaukee, losing its two best young players would have been disastrous, so money had to be saved someplace else.
This deal does the trick in a big way. Oberto is guaranteed only $1.9 million for the 2009-10 season and Bowen only $2 million. Both will likely be waived in the coming days in order to avoid paying their full salaries (Bowen becomes fully guaranteed on Aug. 1, Oberto on July 1). The trade will save Milwaukee $6.35 million in payroll, and possibly more if the Bucks can reach a buyout agreement with Thomas.
That money will be put to good use. With roughly $9.4 million in wiggle room now available under the luxury tax line, the Bucks are in a much better position to defend against offers to Villanueva and Sessions. Even if re-signing both puts the Bucks slightly over the tax line, they'll have until the trade deadline to strip the extra dollars from the payroll and could easily shed Charlie Bell or Malik Allen at that point to get back under. The Bucks can also get further under the tax line by trading the 10th overall pick in Thursday's draft.
So it's not such a head-scratcher after all from the Bucks' side: They basically just traded Jefferson for Villanueva and Sessions. They never should have put themselves in this position in the first place, but it was a pretty crafty escape maneuver.
As for the Spurs, it's another example of how their superior cap management allows them to make deals that aren't available to a lot of other teams. Because the Spurs had three players on short-term deals and two of them weren't fully guaranteed, they were able to send out three role players and get back a starting small forward. Jefferson should provide a dramatic upgrade from the Michael Finley-Bowen combo that manned the position a season ago, and he adds a desperately needed shot creator to take some of the heat off Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and the increasingly brittle Manu Ginobili.
That said, the Spurs took a larger risk on this deal than we're used to seeing from them. The deal basically takes San Antonio out of the 2010 free-agent market since Jefferson is owed $15 million in 2010-11 (he has an opt-out that he'd be insane to exercise), and one wonders if he's an ideal fit with the Spurs. Jefferson has been a high-volume scorer with middling efficiency, and really has been riding off his reputation a bit the past two seasons. At this point, he's one of the league's most overpaid players.
However, one thing that may have caught San Antonio's attention was his 39.7 percent mark on 3-pointers in 2008-09, a career high that he set by taking far more attempts than he'd taken in the past. The Spurs ask their small forwards to spot up in the corners as much as any team in the league, and Jefferson made 54-of-118 (45.9 percent) from those spots a season ago. If that wasn't a fluke and he nails it consistently, he can really make opponents pay for doubling Duncan, Parker or Ginobili.
The deal surprisingly also makes small-market San Antonio a tax payer, putting the Spurs $4.5 million over the tax line for this season without a real obvious remedy for getting back under. They could save some of it by drafting a foreign player with their first-round pick (not exactly unheard of around these parts) and the rest by trading either Matt Bonner or Roger Mason for a non-guaranteed deal, but at that point they'd be cutting into bone.
The other interesting wrinkle will be whether the Spurs try to re-sign Bowen or Oberto to minimum contracts once the Bucks waive them. Bowen in particular has been a huge part of San Antonio's defensive philosophy, and even in his diminished state he could have value as an elder statesmen and occasional rotation player. Oberto could probably make more money in Europe at this point, so it may be the last we've seen of him on this side of the pond.
Regardless, the big takeaway for the Spurs is that they just rolled the dice on Jefferson's potential to pry their championship window open for another year or two. The threesome of Duncan, Ginobili and Duncan clearly didn't have enough help this past season. If Jefferson can make it a fearsome foursome and retain his improved 3-point touch from the corners, it could launch the Spurs back into the title hunt.
And the other teams in the West have to be shaking their heads, because at first it seems unfathomable that the Spurs could get a 20-point scorer for three spare parts. But follow the money, and it all makes sense.
Third Coast
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I like it; especially considering what they only had to give up to get Jefferson. It seems like the Spurs haven't had a decent wing since Sean Elliott. If Duncan and Manu can stay healthy it should be a very potent lineup.
Statalyzer
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He was only one season, but Derek Anderson... and Manu until this past year.
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