Somebody tell Nomar...

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rule 7-11-f.

He can disagree whether or not the batter interfered, but here's the rule:

The batter intentionally or unintentionally interferes with the catcher’s fielding or throwing by stepping out of the batter’s box or making any other movement that hinders a defensive player’s action at home plate;
[emphasis added]
 
Nomar is not hiding the fact that he's rooting for whoever is playing Texas... again.

Tant just watched a pitch go below his knees get called a strike and Nomar was gushing at how good of a pitch it was.
 
now he's crying abt the balk. his disdain for Texas is obvous and - I think - unparalleled for any announcer of our games this season.

m'fer needs to take his sorry *** and hook nose back to Beantown. ain't welcome here.
 
No more nomarrrrr!!!
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The man has little to say, so he was happy to have something to harp about. It was that, repeating how many times each team had been to the world series, and then back to the umps. I'm fine that he was unhappy with the call, but gtf over it already.
 
I didn't see the play, but here's what I don't get based on the descriptions of the play that I've read and the application of the rule: What if the guy doesn't advance to 3rd? Do they still call him out? He's awarded that base as soon as it is called Ball 4, so there really is no "defensive play" to be made, right?
 
When I saw the play I assumed they were just going to put runners on first and second, after all you cant interfere if it is ball four because there is no steal attempt happening. However, if you cause an error on throw back to mound or to second or wherever and that leads runner to advance to third than the interference is cause of the moving to third and that means the lead runner is out.

Have to say I thought it was a bad call but that home plate ump was terrible all night and called some strikes on Texas batters that were just horrible.

In baseball you have a bad calls and over tme they even out, ASU let that one call get under their skin and never threatened to score again after the fourth, that is on them not the umps.

Balk was right call but it sure as heck was close and it bailed out the Horns who were just choking at the plate for seemingly the second inning in a row.
 
Actually it is not a walk until the batter-runner reaches first base. This is why an umpire will wait to call time if it is requested until each runner advances to the next base. This is also why even on a bases-loaded, walk-off BB each runner must advance to the next base. If they do not they can be called out for leaving the baseline prior to advancing. If the walk isn't complete until the runner reaches first then maybe you do go back to rule 7-11-f.

I will contact some of our local chapter of umpires to see if they have a different take.
 
I don't know if I like Nomar or not, because I don't watch or listen to TV announcers (football, basketball, baseball, or anything else). No one is better than Craig Way in knowledge about the 'Horns and the game and in enthusiasm. Yes, he is a homer for the 'Horns, which is what I like. He also calls plays like he sees them. If you are not a 'Horn fan and don't want to hear Craig, you have an alternative.
 
I was watching on closed caption (bar had the sound on the Mav's game) and still was getting sick of his ****. Never realized what a tool he is and I can only imagine how miserable it was having to actually hear it.
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I have not yet seen the play but here is my understanding a BB scenario. A BB is still a live ball play and the runners can advance beyond the awarded base at their own peril.

Runner cannot be caught stealing the next base because it has already been awarded but they can be caught off the awarded base once it is touched or between bases when advancing beyond the awarded base.

It does not matter where the catcher threw the ball or why he threw the ball, since the play is live there is the possiblity of an interference call on the batter or any defensive player.

I read somewhere that the ump called the interference immediately, not after the five minute time out. If true, then the lead runner is out regardless of what ensues on the play. The interference call renders the play dead, not the walk.

So it seems that the smart play would be to have the catcher throw down to bag 2 and try to induce a batter interference call when there is a runner on first on a BB, however if the ump interprets the move as catcher interference then the play is dead and ump places the runners at 2nd and 3rd. And of course if the throw down is wide and there is no batter interference then the runners can advance at their own peril.
 
I read somewhere that the ump called the interference immediately, not after the five minute time out
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I was there and that is indeed true. He made the call immediately. Whether it was a good call is another story. The balk was indeed a bad and ridiculous call. I got the feeling that the ump liked to be the center of attention.
 
The ump called the interference call immediately. With respect to the balk, Lampson (sp?) kinda came set then continued lowering his hands and threw with/out a pause. It was subtle, but nevertheless a balk. Untimely for ASU, but a still a balk.
 
Keep in mind there was a check swing on the play and the runner was going. The catcher can't wait until the ump makes the call to decide to throw. This ump would take . In the replays the catcher's face mask pops up and it seems to have been hit by the bat. I think it influenced the throw. I think the correct call was made.
 
Murphy'sBoy, you hit the nail on the head. I was there and around the middle of the game before all the big controversy, I said this comment to a friend, "this ump truly wants to be a big part of the outcome of this game and get spotlight attention". I just felt like his strike zone kept varying according to counts and situations. I also told my friend that when we were hitting with a 2-1 count and runner's on base...almost every single time he called the next pitch a strike. And many were questionable. It's like he widened the zone substantially for that exact 2-1 count, to put our hitter in a 2-2 bind and add stress to the situation and batter, and make himself a big part of the outcome. I pointed it out ahead of time over and over, and it kept happening as we held off many of those pitches and they were questionable.

What a tool that ump was. Around the 3rd inning I knew that guy was gonna be a problem. Luckily, he made the problem equally tough on both teams. I felt like they got the better strike zone to keep our runners from scoring. Yet also, he was on them about those two controversy plays. So if he didn't make those calls on them, he'd have to take away some of those bad strikes that screwed our batters when guys filled the bases. It woulda evened out in my mind. IMO, ASU is lucky we didn't put up another 4 runs with ease. In two innings we were combined 0-5 when we had runner's on 2nd and 3rd (scoring position) at same time. And yes, the ump was a big part of that poor performance.
 
i am with CedarPark on this one..

both calls were "ify" and if they had been called against us, for damn sure there would be a lot of whining about it on here.

1. on the catcher interference, to me the right call would have been men on first and second, nobody called out. He walked him. It was certainly arguable if there was really any "interference" at all on the play.

2. on the balk, come on. You would screaming holy hell if that had been Jungmann and ASU had runners on 2nd and 3rd, with Texas holding on to a 1 run lead.

that being said, Hook 'Em. Excited about our chances. We have been living on the elimination edge this post season. Let's get some bats on the ball. And please, no more bats on the shoulders and called strike 3 outs.
 
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