Scholarships available?

HornSwoggler

HornSwoggler

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I have been looking at this years (2009) roster and it looks like 17 seniors were on scholarship per mackbrownfootball.com . This includes Shipley who was on a medical hardship waiver.
It appears that Shipley's scholarship counted toward the total of 85 as there were 85 scholarship players on the roster. This surprised me in taht I was under the impression the "medical redshirts" did not count agains the 85 limit. I have been unable to access the NCAA website to verify this.

Does anyone KNOW (not your opinion or suspicion) if a "medical redshirt" scholarship counts against the 85 limit.

Assuming Jared Norton returns under a medical hardship waiver AND his scholarship counts against the 85, that leaves 16 exiting senior scholarships plus Buckner's scholarship (17 total) for the incoming class. Have there been any other players from the team that transferred? With the Spring semester starting on the 19th, any other unannounced transfers should become public.

Has anyone done the scholarship chart for exiting seniors/new signees? I have seen it in the past but not for our current scholarship situation.

I am not looking for speculation on possible attrition. Just looking for confirmation that my numbers are close.

Thanks.
 
Haven't counted the schollies, so don't know about your numbers... but this much I do KNOW:

If you are under scholarship and you either are playing this year, have played this year, or you are medically cleared to play, your scholarship counts against the 85. Guys who get the medical sixth year fall into that category.

Guys like Matt Nader, who are medically unable to play, have their scholarship honored, but they do not count against the 85 limit. By rule, Nader did count against the 85 his freshman year, but was converted to a medical after the first year.
 
I counted 20 scholarships available. Dan Buckner, Brandon Collins, Marcus Davis, Earl Thomas are all gone from the current roster due to NFL draft or transferring out. My number also includes Jared Norton coming back.

We've got 22 committed players so far. Its not hard to see two scholarships opening up due to grades, transfers, etc. If we were to get Jeffcoat and Hicks, we'd need two more. Mack also tends to award a non-scholarship player a scholarship during their senior year...perhaps John Gold this year, so that'd be another count. So possibly, we have need of 25 schollies at 20 spots. But as always, Mack and co. always get these things to work out.
 
Good info about the career-ending scholarships. I fear Irby may fall into this category, which case another 'ship would open up. I guess we'll see this Spring.

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It was interesting to hear that the SEC can sign unlimited numbers of athletes, and send the ones they want to junior college, prep school, whatever, and after two years cherry pick those that they want to bring into the school. They use it as some type of minor league to cull out the qualifiers and non-qualifiers. That's why we see them signing 30+ every year, and I didn't know that was legal.
 
Thanks all.

I knew there were other scholarships that had become available but my pea-brain was having difficulty remembering who was leaving or had already left the program.

Looks like 20 scholarships known to be available at this time to me.

I also read (AAS, I think) that Muckelroy was a possible "medical hardship" case since he was hurt in the 3rd game of his redshirt freshman year of 2006.

If Muck returned, we would have one heck of a LB crew returning with ample backups. I have not heard this is likely but it appears to be a possibility. I wonder if he applies to the NFL draft to find his draft position without hiring an agent....
 
Friday,
I don't think the SEC schools actually sign all the players that commit...although I have no real knowledge of what they are doing. NCAA regs say that a max of 25 per year can be signed with a total limit of 85 scholarships allowed for FBS football programs.

I imagine they could accept a commitment with the understanding that the player go to a juco (wonder who decides which one?) and sign after 2 years. It probably allows some low qualifier athletes to eventually sign with one of their programs. However, that strategy must rely on alot of attrition other than graduation either from high school commitments that never qualify, from the juco players never returning or from the university rosters. Eventually, the 85 limit has to come into play.

That being said, it does appear that in excess of 25 are signed by some schools but I have not looked in depth as to how that is accomplished. The gray shirt mentioned in an earlier post is one tactic as is the use of an unused scholarship from a previous year. But always the 85 limit has to be observed (except for the "medical - unable to play" situation).
 
I agree, Bill.

I am amazed every year how the numbers work out.

The coaching staff obviously has knowledge that we do not about who is staying and who is not.

And, if there was any unseemly coercion or yanking of a schollie, news of it would surely come out.

I have heard stories of this happening at some schools but thankfully not here, as far as I know.

Technically, athletic scholarships are awarded on a yearly basis and have to be re-awarded each season. It seems that you could withold one, if necessary to meet the NCAA limits, or use it as a method of running someone out of a program. Dirty tactics, in my opnion.
 
HornSwoggler, I can't remember, maybe McShay on ESPN talking about how the SEC does it. It sounded like they are able to get more guys that way, somewhat like maybe Nebraska used to do with walkons, although I'm not sure that is a valid example.
 
My first thought was that this should be banned immediately. Then, I changed my mind in that it does offer some nonqualifying kids a better chance to utlimately play for a larger school which might give them a better chance to make something of themselves either in athletics or the "real world".

The negative side is that some kids might be better off playing and studying at smaller colleges instead of spending 2 years at juco in the slim hope of making it on the FBS level. Of course, it is the students (and family's) responsibility to decide what is the best avenue to take, not the college coaches'.

Another negative is that it essentially defeats one of the purposes of the 85 scholarship limit which was introduced to
control costs AND to keep some of the big $$ schools from signing kids just to keep other schools from getting them.

Apparently, the oversigning strategy is not critical since many schools that don't do it still do very well. If it can be determined that it gives a school an unfair advantage, then it should be prohibited. Until then, let it be.

From the article, Richt at Georgia got my respect when he said he doesn't use oversigning to avoid the chance of having to renege on a scholarship offer or push someone off the team to open a scholarship. If more felt that way, this would not even be an issue.

So the strategy has good and bad aspects just like most things in life.
 
I agree Horn. If I were a recruit I would consider Division 2 or Jr. College before I would take a chance and sign with a big school that consistently signs over the 25 a year limit. As far as I know we have never ran any players off even though some transfer for PT and academic reasons.
 
The magic # of 85 is set in August. So you can sign a bunch as long as you can fit them in to 25 per year. But, if you sign 32 and only 20 enroll in the fall, then you only signed 20. So the next year, if there were 5 early enrollees, then you maxed out the previous year at 25 and could still have 25 for that new class.
 
The SEC instituted a 28 signee limit effective this signing period. The NCAA on a whole is to vote on it at he next meeting and it is expected to pass and be implemented in 2011.
 
Right now there is a 25/85 limit.

However, spring enrolles can count toward the year before if the team brought in less than 25 that year. This happen in 1999 when Texas signed 28, brought in 27 (1 didn't qualify) with 2 spring enrolles (one left after the spring) which counted toward 1998 class, and the other 25 enrolled in 1999 staying within the 85 limit. They also had 2 spring enrollees in the 2000 class who could not count toward 1999 since they had brought in 25 in 1999.
 
Thought I'd update the status of the original post.

Per InsideTexas:

2010 Roster

If correct, this indicates that there are 23 scholarships available for the 25 2010 signees who either enrolled this Spring or will enroll for the Fall semester ....as of now.

This chart accounts for the departures of E Thomas, Payne, Davis, Collins, Buckner, the medically unable to play status of Ian Harris (per MB's recent press conference) and the return of Norton on a medical hardship waiver.
 
We will have to sign 28 to cover for the 23 needed now and you always lose 4 or 5 each year to attrition. The 3 extra will count towards this year.
 
We currently have 87 players either returning or entering on scholarship - watch for 2 more to either retire or transfer (Irby and one other).
 
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