Scholarship Math 2010/2011

HornSwoggler

HornSwoggler

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Scholarship Math always intrigues me! Here are a few interesting facts and figures:

NCAA max regular scholarships at beginning of Fall semester = 85

Current Roster = 64 including 3 "Early" Freshmen (McCoy, White & Wood) per MackBrown-TexasFootball.com .

The 64 also includes Irby who as far as I know is still counting as a regular scholarship and Norton who is a 5th year senior having redshirted last year. I don't think Medical Hardship applies to Norton as he had a redshirt year available to him.

Incoming 2010 Freshmen = 22

Fall 2010 Total = 86 ..... OOPS, something's gotta give! Greyshirt, attrition, whatever it takes to get to 85.

The 2010 86 includes 17 seniors. That's not enough to allow for the projected incoming 2011 Freshmen at the current count of 22 let alone any more commits adding one or two "Can't Turn Down" guys still uncommitted.

Aaron Williams is a possible early leave for the NFL draft but I don't see any other draft-likely juniors on the roster.

It always amazes me that the numbers work out but they do. Have faith in the Belmont Hall scholarship wizards.
 
A lot can/will happen between now and next summer. Blaine Irby may not be able to return to football. Rumors abound about one of our young DL hurting grade-wise. As happens every year, Mack will have a very candid discussion with those whose prospects for seeing the field are not good.

In Mack we trust.
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I agree, OM.

I figured Irby would have already been declared "Medically Unable to Participate" or whatever the correct status is which is different from a Medical Hardship schollie. IIRC, neither count against the 85 limit. Medical Hardship is used when an athlete has used up all of his eligibilty but is granted another year since an injury/illness cost him at least one year. So that would not apply to Irby yet. And no one has ever said he is not trying to make it back on the field as far as I know.

I am not up to speed on the grade issue rumors and prefer it that way. But I know those things happen along with suspensions and transfers for whatever reason.

It just seems that 2011 will be difficult to slip under the wire needing to come up with 6 or more scholarships based on the current numbers.

I wonder who on the football staff is responsible for the bookkeeping and scholarship prognostication. Seems like he must be awfully good since we hear nothing of athletes leaving under pressure other than discipline cases.

Or maybe all scholarship athletes are sworn to secrecy under pain of being forced to attend A&M or Tech!
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At least 6 guys will have to fall off the roster between now and the start of 2011 that are not currently seniors.
 
I missed the news about the severity of Harris' injury. Hate to hear this. I recall that he was injured last season but was unaware it might be career-ending. I hope that is not the case. He was a stud out of high school and I looked forward to seeing him on the field. As a JR for 2010 who has already redshirted, Harris has 2 more seasons (2010 and 2011) available before he would likely be eligible for a Medically Hardship Waiver.

If he or Irby are classified Medically Unable to Participate, all is good for 2010 without any other attrition.
 
H-D

I guess I was showing my age! I was a student way back before Moncrief-Neuhaus was even a sparkle in anyone's eye. In fact, Bellmont Hall was fairly new when I was a student.

Hell, I even remember the wood bleachers in the south endzone - Knothole Section is what it was called and tickets there were $1 or $2, IIRC.

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Guys, keep in mind, each scholarship is done on a year to year basis. no one has a scholarship next season unless we offer it to them. Now we know that the school is going to honor about 90% of those offers. But I'm pretty sure there are about 10% of our team that is neither performing on the field or in the classroom.

Those guys will be leaving. There is never such thing as making the numbers work, that happens because the kids make it work through their inability on the field and lack of work in the classroom.
 
Ahhh... the obligatory "worry about the number of scholarships" thread.
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Mack has this under firm control. It has NEVER been an issue before and it will never be one.
 
This has to be said every year. Poor performance on the field will never cause a football player to lose his scholarship at Texas. They may try to talk someone who is injured into a medical, if they feel he may not be able to play at 100% again, but no one is forced out. Grades, however, are a really good reason for a player to "transfer".
 
How 'bout Fozzie? He's already graduated, right? Seems he could enroll in Grad School and get the Fritz and Frieda Gobbschnozzle Graduate Fellowship, nicht wahr?

Or would that only be at Nebraska?
 
My understanding is that any financial aid provided to a football athlete counts against the 85 limit regardless of whether a student has graduated or not as soon as the player participates either in practice or a game (I am not sure of this point) for the season in question. This is to prevent a school from hiding its football players under another sport's scholarship allotment or under an academic scholarship.


As I mentioned earlier, I am not worried about meeting the scholarship limits but in the relative quiet between baseball, conference realignment and summer workouts for the 2010 season, I like to play with the numbers.

Regarding the "knothole section", does anyone else recall it being in the north endzone? Hate to admit my memory has failed me again.
 
Horn Swoggler,

The Knothole section of yester-year was a section made up of the North endzone section demolished in order to build what exists there now. That area was separated from the other areas with a fence on East & West sides from Row 1 all the way to the upper wall. I attended my first such game in 1956, 2nd grade.

UT issued a card with each home game identified there-on to all students in the AISD from second through twelth grades.

There used to be a small ticket booth on the plaza, just west of what now is the main entry to the North endzone. On game day you and your buddies would show up with your card and 50 cents and got in line. The sales person in the booth punched the appropriate game collected the 50 cents and handed you an admission tiket (from a roll) to be used at the gate. 50 cents more scored a hot dog & drink inside the stadium. Not sure when this practice was discontinued.
 
Thanks Geezer. I vaguely recall that end NOT being closed in. I used the wrong term when I referred to the south end zone bleachers. The father of a friend would rent a bus and provide bus service for fans right to the curb on the east side of the stadium. We would ride along and get a cheap bleacher seat. This was back in the mid 60's. Remember seeing several games that way.
 
Longtex

I didn't belive it either but about a year ago, I found in the NCAA manual that that was indeed the case. A student athlete that was recieving financial aid for academic reasons still counted againstt the 85 scholarship limit. I tried to find it in the more recent NCAA manual yesterday. The manual is organized differently and I was unable to find it in the time I had. It is kinda like drilling for water or oil....lots of dry holes.

I will try again in a few minutes to find it in the current manual.
 
One more follow-up,

I was pretty sure my Dad had shown me some pictures at games when he was attending during the late 1930's that had the north endzone. Sure enough (per infamous internet search for historical info re DKR)

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Longtex,
You pegged it when you said "arcane". Mindnumbing also came to my mind, literally, when I dug up the info in the 2010 NCAA Div 1 manual.

www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D110.pdf

There is a ton of info and many exceptions regarding institutional financial aid, grants, outside aid, government grants, etc. check Bylaw 15.

The key here is what constitutes a "counter" toward the scholarship limit. This, too, is a complicated issue and depends partly on whether an athlete was a "recruited" athlete as opposed to , say, a walk-on or an athlete that was not recruited but was awarded financial aid for reasons unrelated to athletic ability.

Here is the info I was remembering:

15.5 MAXIMUM INS TITUTION AL GR ANT-IN-AID LIMITATIONS BY SPOR T
15.5.1 Counters. A student-athlete shall be a counter and included in the maximum awards limitations set
forth in this bylaw under the following conditions: (Revised: 6/10/04)
(a) Athletics Aid. A student-athlete who receives financial aid based in any degree on athletics ability shall become
a counter for the year during which the student-athlete receives the financial aid; or
(b) Athletics Participation as a Major Criterion. A recruited student-athlete who receives outside financial aid
for which athletics participation is a major criterion (see Bylaw 15.2.6.4) shall become a counter for the year
during which the student-athlete receives the aid; or
(c) Educational Expenses—Olympic Committee/National Governing Body. A student-athlete who receives
educational expenses awarded by the U.S. Olympic Committee or a U.S. national governing body (or,
for international student-athletes, expenses awarded by the equivalent organization of a foreign country) per
Bylaw 15.2.6.5 shall become a counter for the year during which the student-athlete receives the aid.
15.5.1.1 No Athletics Aid—Certification Required. A student-athlete (except for a recruited football or
basketball student-athlete) who does not receive athletically related financial aid per Bylaw 15.5.1-(a) through
Bylaw 15.5.1-(c) but receives institutional financial aid (as set forth in Bylaw 15.02.4.1) shall not be a counter
if the faculty athletics representative and the director of financial aid that the student-athlete’s financial aid have
certified was granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability. The certification shall be kept on file in the
office of the athletics director.
15.5.1.2 Football or Basketball, Varsity Competition. In football or basketball, a student-athlete who
was recruited by the awarding institution and who receives institutional financial aid (as set forth in Bylaw
15.02.4.1) granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability does not have to be counted until the student-
athlete engages in varsity intercollegiate competition (as opposed to freshman, B-team, subvarsity, intramural
or club competition) in those sports. For this provision to be applicable, there shall be on file in the office
of the athletics director certification by the faculty athletics representative, the admissions officer and the chair
of the financial aid committee that the student’s admission and financial aid were granted without regard in any
degree to athletics ability. (Revised: 1/16/93 effective 8/1/93, 1/11/94, 6/20/04)

And here is a potential exemption, effective AFTER completing a full academic year:

15.5.1.2.2 Exception—Receipt of Institutional Academic Aid Only. In football or basketball, a
student-athlete who was recruited by the awarding institution and whose only source of institutional financial
aid is academic aid based solely on the recipient’s academic record at the certifying institution, awarded
independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by
the institution, may compete without counting in the institution’s financial aid team limits, provided he or
she has completed at least one academic year of full-time enrollment at the certifying institution and has
achieved a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.300 (on a 4.000 scale) at the certifying institution.
(Adopted: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06)

It does appear that a student that is NOT recruited but receives academic financial aid does not count against the limit....

so I stand corrected.....dammit!

After reading all this stuff, I have alot more respect for whoever is the enforcement guru for athletic scholarships not to mention recruiting activities and other athletic activites.




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The Knothole section was in the north end zone and the tickets were more like $.50...

You are talking late 50's and early 60's. The general admission tickets were available through AISD schools at that price
 
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