Saving music from a CD on your PC = STEALING

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The Recording Industry Association of America has filed a lawsuit in Arizona alleging that a person who legally purchases a CD and then saves its music onto a computer is guilty of theft.


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So I guess they'll be demanding that Apple remove the rip feature from iTunes as well as jack up all the prices on the iTunes store. Luckily Steve Jobs won't bend over for them.
 
They never had a problem with cassette tapes so this is a curious and stupid move. They must feel that people sell the cd's they make or something. Stupid move by stupid people. This will bite them in the ***. I would love to see their explanation of how this makes sense.

Some people got paid a lot of money to determine this is the way to go. Talk about easy money!

I wonder how this affects dj's making mix cd's as a demo to pass out to clubs and promoters. Also, since cd's are used as often or even more often than vinyl at parties, dj's put vinyl songs onto cd since they are easier to transport. Also you can transport a bunch more. Carry 10 albums/singles or one cd. Easy choice.
 
Guess anybody that's ever owned an MP3 player is a crook then.
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These ******* people just don't get it.
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If it is illegal for me to buy a CD and rip it to my HDD for whole house distribution and for syncing with my iPod, than I might as well just download the music for free. If both methods are illegal I might as well save a few bucks, because I ain't giving up my iPod or streaming music over my LAN. And I ain't "licensing" my music from iTunes with their DRM restrictions.
 
As far as I know you are still legally allowed to make a copy of software you purchase for back up / archival purposes.

Don't see how on earth you can't make a copy of a cd under the same principle (they get lost, they get scratched, etc).

I can understand how they would get upset about sharing.. but I'm sorry... you can do whatever the **** you want with your own cds.
 
Those aren't the facts of the case as I originally read them. I believe the defendant is being accused of file-sharing, and in the documents filed in court by the RIAA, their attorney also made a vague reference to the mere act of copying files for personal backup as also being illegal.

I certainly don't think any legal precedent has been set.
 
I was wondering if and how much file sharing was involved. People forget that what they are concerned about is not the person who burns copies of songs and such for three, four friends. It is when they share it online for the thousands of friends they have never met.

I knew there had to be more to it and file sharing tied in somehow. At least I hoped that was the case. Hope the guy gets his **** handed to him if he is guilty.
 
I'm uphauled. So "free" downloading from the old days is now illegal. Fine. I now download legally through iTunes. I also still purchase CDs. You're telling me I can only put legally downloaded files on my iPod/iPhone, but not files from legally purchased CDs?
 
The core problem is that the music industry realizes that their cash cow business model is dying quickly, and they don't know what else to do. It is sheer desperation at this point.
 
They're only suing the guy for downloading.

Am I becoming [more] forgetful or did I not read something one time that downloading was not illegal, but making the files available was? I'm probably wrong..

Anyway..

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wasn't there something about the Digital Millenium Copyright Act trying to make copies of ones own discs illegal?
 
the RIAA put this in a few years ago

i remember hearing about it and i was shocked there wasnt an uproar over the stupidity of it

one more reason why people shouldnt have a problem with people who download music "illegally"
 
At what point will the RIAA go after music blogs? Seems like some of the big name blogs are necessary for spreading the indie bands.
 
I would think that as long as they don't allow the blatant exchange of info on how to steal music, the sites and services then they should be left alone. But if the site allows the flaunting of said content, it could raise the suspicion. I think the idiots at RIAA and those they represent know it will happen and go on. But if they can stop it being so obvious and spoken of often then they may view it as a success.
 
just when I thought the these fucks couldnt be anymore out of control

now having a personal use copy on your personal computer of a LEGAL CD of music is not ok? what total ********.
 
Actually and sadly we don't have the rights to what we purchased that we think we do. Thanks to their copyrights. But the same applies to pro sports. You know that little speech about unauthorized blah blah and blah blah of the telecast blah blah without expressed written consent by blah and blah? There is more to it than just that little voice snippet.

But they choose not to act on it but it is still there. They can bust your *** for who knows what if they wanted to. Taping it, giving it to a friend, etc... And when they start losing lots of money I think it will suck and be interesting to see to what extent commercial tv goes after people. Esp. the pro leagues. And they make plenty of cashola too.

It is the whole finer print crap. Most of us don't read it. When was the last time you read all the terms and conditions when registering to a website? I know for a fact that 99 percent of us here have not at this site alone.
 
The greed of corporate fuckwads at the RIAA and MPAA knows no bounds. DRM is simply a tool to fleece the public. In their ideal world (a nightmare world to consumers), we would pay each time we listened to a song, album, or watched a movie. These guys have attempted to put up a roadblock to every new technological advance beneficial to consumer to keep their antiquated and archaic business models afloat. They tried to kill VCRs and DVRs and thankfully they were not able to. Remember the DivX DVD players that Circuit City tried to push 10 years ago. Basically your DVD player would be hooked up to the phone and you would pay a new license to watch your DVD. Consumers gave them the finger and it bombed.

**** DRM, the DMCA, RIAA, and MPAA. There is no industry more worthy of joining the ash heaps of history than the recording industries. Their moronic and antagonistic stance towards digital manipulation.

l00p, you and I have disagree about file sharing over the years and I understand your position since you care about the artist not the ******* recording company leeches. Actions like this push more people to "illegal" file sharing since apparently there is no "legal" method to using songs you purchased on a CD in a mp3 format.

Finally, I am not an IP lawyer, but can someone tell me why the **** does file sharing and ripping CDs to your HD or creating a copy not fall under the "fair use doctrine" if solely for personal use. Nobody has ever convinced me that it is not.
 
I think most attorneys, judges, etc. would consider that "fair use". This was a single RIAA lawyer making the claim that it's not.
 
ill say this again to anyone who says that its illegal and shouldnt be done for that reason alone

this country was started with people standing up against wrongdoings and sometimes thats what you have to do

yes its illegal but that is the only way to force any changes in those industries

otherwise they will continue to **** the public to their hearts content
 
Actually, if people flat out stopped buying new music it would force them to change things toot-sweet. Yes, an aggy'esque boycott. Even if for a month or few. But what sucks in that is there are so many support people, family owned businesses and a host of logistics employee's not paid by the music company on their accounts or checks that would suffer. I HATE that. I hate that Jerome the truck driver, Fred the stock boy/cashier and others down the line would stand to lose their jobs in the process.

Believe me, I love the idea of not having to pay for music. Probably because it is doubtful anybody here has bought or has more music than I have. Of course in this huge community there is somebody but the point is I have a **** ton of music and even more that I have gotten rid of or given away. I would love to and deserve to get it for free.

I have given serious thought for years as to methods to solving this problem while ******* the industry over in a big way with no or little damage to the little guy. My goal would be to find a way to benefit the artist, the sound engineers, the graphics people and mom and pop stores across the country. Also to get a good product to people at a price fair to all.

But this ******** that music costs too much is just that, ********. Find me products that have not gone up in price in about 20 years? It isn't a soda that costs one penny to serve. It isn't gas and it isn't food. It isn't even beer. But the difference is none of those things can be gotten for free online in the "privacy of your own home". So there is not the same outcry.

But those corporations are fucktards too. No more, no less than the ******** at the RIAA. But everytime you go to a movie, every time you buy a dvd or cd new you are supporting them.

I buy used as much as I can and even wait for some music until I can get it used somewhere. It sucks for me but my moral victory is great. **** I wish I could think of a solution and make all of us happy.

We need Bill and Ted and their Wyld Stallions.
 
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