RNC YouTube live stream

[NJlonghorn]

The RNC convention is being live-streamed on YouTube. During the speech by Linda Lingle talking about Jewish support for Trump, the chat window was overtaken by anti-Semitic rage. Link. To their credit, the RNC shut the chat window down when the comments started getting out of control.

The undercurrent grows....

 

[Phil Elliott]

They never say how they know the anti-Semitic remarks were made by "Trump fans". That sounds more like assumption than fact.

 

[NJlonghorn]

They never say how they know the anti-Semitic remarks were made by "Trump fans". That sounds more like assumption than fact.

Anti-Semitic groups and individuals have made no secret of their rabid support for Donald Trump. I think it is fair to assume that these particular Anti-Semites support Trump as well, but I guess you are right that the assumption could conceivably be inaccurate.

By the way, I just ran across this National Review article, making the "undercurrents" argument more articulately than I ever did.

 

[Htown77]

Personally, I think the anti-semites following Trump will, like Trump's other various random groups of supporters, be very disappointed with what they get. Remember, these people also think Taylor Swift is a secret neo nazi goddess.

If Trump wins and the anti-semities come out loud and proud, they'll just be publically exposed for the fools they are when Trump does not start the Fourth Reich.

 

[NJlonghorn]

Personally, I think the anti-semites following Trump will, like Trump's other various random groups of supporters, be very disappointed with what they get. Remember, these people also think Taylor Swift is a secret neo nazi goddess.

If Trump wins and the anti-semities come out loud and proud, they'll just be publically exposed for the fools they are when Trump does not start the Fourth Reich.

I agree that the anti-Semites will be disappointed in Trump, and that the most likely scenario is that they fade back into the woodwork after the election. However, I don't have nearly the confidence in that prediction as you seem to. Prejudice has a history of spiraling out of control once it takes root, especially during periods of economic or political chaos. If our economy goes to pot or terrorism continues to expand, I don't know whether Trump will be the man to stand up against prejudice. In fact, I can easily see Trump turning a blind eye if that is what is necessary to make him a winner.

 

[iatrogenic]

Anti-Semitic groups and individuals have made no secret of their rabid support for Donald Trump. I think it is fair to assume that these particular Anti-Semites support Trump as well, but I guess you are right that the assumption could conceivably be inaccurate.

By the way, I just ran across this National Review article, making the "undercurrents" argument more articulately than I ever did.

We should try and figure out more about these anti-semites. Tell me, how many of them are there? The writer mentions "a significant core" of Trump voters are anti-semites. How many are in that core? How did the writer find out? What groups hold on to these crazy thoughts? Are we talking hundreds? Thousands? Millions? Explain again how Trump has treated Jews worse than Obama so that we can understand why these anti-semites follow Trump instead of praising Obama/Hillary. Further, how many Jews are in banking versus non-Jews? In order to understand how big of a deal this is, we need to define the parameters and risks better.

As it stands right now, we have two Democrats, you and Shapiro, making unfounded allegations.

 

[NJlonghorn]

We should try and figure out more about these anti-semites. Tell me, how many of them are there? The writer mentions "a significant core" of Trump voters are anti-semites. How many are in that core? How did the writer find out? What groups hold on to these crazy thoughts? Are we talking hundreds? Thousands? Millions? Explain again how Trump has treated Jews worse than Obama so that we can understand why these anti-semites follow Trump instead of praising Obama/Hillary. Further, how many Jews are in banking versus non-Jews? In order to understand how big of a deal this is, we need to define the parameters and risks better.

As it stands right now, we have two Democrats, you and Shapiro, making unfounded allegations.

Yeah, it's just me and Shapiro.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/05/27/3782503/donald-trump-anti-semitism-tweets/

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-jewish-republicans-223196

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/trump-needs-to-loudly-denounce-the-hate/481608/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-s-anti-semitic-fans-out-of-the-woodwork.html

http://forward.com/opinion/321871/why-wont-trump-stand-up-to-his-fans-the-anti-semites/

http://theweek.com/speedreads/625463/donald-trumps-antisemitism-problem-seems-getting-louder

http://www.jta.org/2016/06/02/news-...trumps-anti-semitism-controversies-a-timeline

http://blog.adl.org/anti-semitism/extremist-support-of-donald-trump

http://www.adl.org/press-center/c/trump-must-reject-racists-support.html#.V46M8fkrJhE

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...g-jewish-supremacists-who-control-our-country

http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/...c-trump-fans-attack-critical-reporters/210165

 

[iatrogenic]

Yeah, it's just me and Shapiro.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/05/27/3782503/donald-trump-anti-semitism-tweets/

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-jewish-republicans-223196

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/trump-needs-to-loudly-denounce-the-hate/481608/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-s-anti-semitic-fans-out-of-the-woodwork.html

http://forward.com/opinion/321871/why-wont-trump-stand-up-to-his-fans-the-anti-semites/

http://theweek.com/speedreads/625463/donald-trumps-antisemitism-problem-seems-getting-louder

http://www.jta.org/2016/06/02/news-...trumps-anti-semitism-controversies-a-timeline

http://blog.adl.org/anti-semitism/extremist-support-of-donald-trump

http://www.adl.org/press-center/c/trump-must-reject-racists-support.html#.V46M8fkrJhE

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...g-jewish-supremacists-who-control-our-country

http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/...c-trump-fans-attack-critical-reporters/210165

Interesting articles. I read this in them:

-....anti-Semites who support him. And while that’s probably a small number of people...

-Trump disavowed Duke, saying that, “anti-Semitism has no place our society, which needs to be united, not divided.”

-No one interviewed by POLITICO accused Trump of anti-Semitism

-“To his credit, Mr. Trump, after we did a statement, ... he called out anti-Semitism, which was great.

-People around Trump bristle at the suggestions that he is soft on combating bigotry or not sufficiently pro-Israel, and certainly Republican Jewish rejection of Trump is not uniform, even if more centrist Jewish opposition to him largely is.

-“He has never in 13 years made any comment to me that could be construed as anti-Semitic,” said David Friedman, a New York-based lawyer and Orthodox Jew whom Trump has also referred to as an adviser on Israel. “There is not a scintilla of tolerance in him for anti-Semitism. Obviously, he’s not an anti-Semite, but he also has no tolerance for anti-Semitism.”

-Donald Trump does not hate Jews — his daughter Ivanka, he will tell you, is a convert to Orthodox Judaism, and surely Sheldon Adelson would not back an anti-Semite

- CNN’s Jake Tapper asks Trump on Feb. 28 if he would disavow Duke’s support. Though Trump in the past had condemned Duke

-Trump adviser and lawyer Jason Greenblatt, who is an Orthodox Jew, says, “I do not think Mr. Trump can be responsible for people who are anti-Semitic who support him.

-“He has come out clearly against anti-Semitism,” Greenblatt said in an email to JTA. “He can’t keep going around saying ‘I denounce anti-Semitism.’ He said it clearly and emphatically on multiple times.”

-Ari Fleischer, a former spokesman for President George W. Bush and current board member of the Republican Jewish Coalition, shares Greenblatt’s view.

“The fact that the Black Panthers came out for Barack Obama doesn’t make Barack Obama a Black Panther sympathizer,” Fleischer tells the Huffington Post. “You cannot ascribe to a candidate the views of the worst radical fringes that may support them. … These arguments about how Donald Trump shouldn’t be supported because fringe radical groups have said good things about him — I reject entirely.”

I must have missed your explaining how many anti-semites make up a significant core of Trump supporters.

So, what seems to be going on is political opponents making anecdotal mole hills (bigoted social media participants) into mountains.

This is from a guy you would think is a conservative (and he may be a Conservative that finds Trump distasteful, but he might as well be a Democrat now), but he explains exactly what is going on:

"It's not a new tactic. Victim's hold a cherished place in the liberal heart. With victimhood comes moral power, and the power to extort the supposed victimizers. Liberals have always claimed to be fighting bullies"..."See, that's the dirty little secret: buried beneath all of the left's supposed hatred for bullying is a passionate love for bullying- the use of power to force those who disagree to shut-up, back down, or face crushing consequences up to and including loss of reputation, career destruction, and even death"
-Ben Shapiro

Ben learned that from the Obama administration. He's a good student, right?

Here is a quote from one of the articles about your Democratic leader:

-“We’ve gone through eight years with a president who sought to degrade the U.S.-Israel partnership and succeeded. We went through eight years of a president who personally attacked the elected leader of the Jewish state,” said Neusner

 

[Htown77]

I agree that the anti-Semites will be disappointed in Trump, and that the most likely scenario is that they fade back into the woodwork after the election. However, I don't have nearly the confidence in that prediction as you seem to. Prejudice has a history of spiraling out of control once it takes root, especially during periods of economic or political chaos. If our economy goes to pot or terrorism continues to expand, I don't know whether Trump will be the man to stand up against prejudice. In fact, I can easily see Trump turning a blind eye if that is what is necessary to make him a winner.

Those were some good points I had not considered. My thought process on the matter was "I do not know what Trump is or will be but I am 98% sure he is not an anti-semite." However, while I had considered the fact that it is very possible chaos could ensue in a Trump presidency, I had not thought about it in regards to these "loud and proud" anti-Semitic groups that seem to be emerging. I could certainly also see Trump turning a blind eye to some hate groups (I would guess more likely unintentionally and with Trump being oblivious/reckless like with his tweets). I agree it is not likely (and if there was chaos, I think the anti-semetic groups would not come out on top), however I think your concern is reasonable and rational. I now understand your viewpoint.

Whether any anti-semitic groups emerge or not, I still think both Trump and Hillary will be disasters and I remain firmly in the Gary Johnson protest vote camp.

 

[iatrogenic]

Here is an article on anti-Semitism that should concern you:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/will061116.php3

The hatred from Islam is expected, but the mention of academics is troubling.

NJL, your support of Muslim immigration is still baffling to me, but it is nice that you want to see the supposed "good" in everyone.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Mr. Deez]

NJ, I would never tell you that you should vote for Trump, because I'm not doing it myself. However, this shouldn't be your reason. I think it's pretty unfair to judge a candidate by a small sect of his supporters, especially when that candidate hasn't shown any real signs of being sympathetic to the bad apples that concern you. Every national candidate has his or her wing nuts.

Also, which candidate's anti-Semites concern you? I'm sure David Duke and his dozen supporters will vote for Trump, but there are millions of Nation of Islam and BLM sympathizers who will vote for Hillary Clinton. Do you think those people like Jews? They don't. In fact, "Minister" Farrakhan might be more inflammatory towards Jews than Duke is.

I also think it's worth noting that these liberal anti-Semites hold real political power, because they're indispensable to a Democratic victory. If a bunch of white crackpots who don't like Jews decide not to vote for Trump, it's not going to impact his chances. There aren't anywhere near enough them. However, if every black voter who's sympathetic to NOI and every Muslim voter who hates Jews decides not to vote for Hillary, she's done. Realistically, I don't think either would tolerate or appease anti-Semites, but if any of them would, it would be Hillary.

 

[majorwhiteapples]

Let's remember that most Republicans and Trump supporters are at work during the day and don't have time to watch YouTube.

Anti-Semites already planned what they planned whether they are Trump supporters or not, you will see the same thing next week.

 

[iatrogenic]

More than a nut job tweeting hate:
http://www.economist.com/news/middl...-sound-rattled-campaign-isolate-their-country

 

[Joe Fan]

this headline writer should not have to pay for his own coffee today

 

[Joe Fan]

Cruz is talking to Texas delegation now, getting heckled

 

[Joe Fan]

they are still going at it

 

[Joe Fan]

So Ted Cruz has not backed off today at all
He is digging in and doubling down
He wants Trump to lose (I guess so he can run in 2020) - the make-up of the SCOTUS be damned (which is unforgiveable to me). Putting himself above country.
If Trump loses a close one, Cruz is done

 

[Mr. Deez]

So Ted Cruz has not backed off today at all
He is digging in and doubling down
He wants Trump to lose (I guess so he can run in 2020) - the make-up of the SCOTUS be damned (which is unforgiveable to me). Putting himself above country.
If Trump loses a close one, Cruz is done

Cruz will be in the Senate as long as he wants, and after November, Trump will go back to New York in defeat as the disgrace that every intelligent adult has always known him to be.

 

[Joe Fan]

Cruz will be in the Senate as long as he wants, and after November, Trump will go back to New York in defeat as the disgrace that every intelligent adult has always known him to be.

If that is true, then the Republic is lost.

Four or even eight subsequent years of a Prez Cruz would never be able to undue what you guys are allowing to happen to the SCOTUS by giving these near term appointments to HRC now. Short of ending the world with nuclear catastrophe, SCOTUS choices outlive the policies and actions of any president. And it will be your fault.

 

[Mr. Deez]

If that is true, then the Republic is lost.

Four or even eight subsequent years of a Prez Cruz would never be able to undue what you guys are allowing to happen to the SCOTUS by giving these near term appointments to HRC now. Short of ending the world with nuclear catastrophe, SCOTUS choices outlive the policies and actions of any president. And it will be your fault.

Cut the apocalyptic nonsense. She'll probably get two appointments (Scalia and Ginsburg). It's terrible, but it's not enough to destroy the conservative movement over and ruin foreign policy successes that have lasted almost 80 years.

Either way, it won't be my fault. You had 17 candidates. Some were mediocre. Some were very good. One was a Kardashian. I said not to choose the Kardashian (which should have been obvious to anyone with half a brain.) You chose the Kardashian anyway.

 

[Joe Fan]

It is time for you boys to get over yourselves, your bruised egos and butthurt feelings. Put your country ahead of yourselves.

If Cruz were the nominee, I would. For the same reason.

The choice is binary.
It is either Hillary, or it is Trump.
They are her SCOTUS picks, or his.
It is freedom, or tyranny.

Stop making excuses.

 

[mchammer]

I hate to say this but the Never Trumpers sound like the aggy's when they left the B12, particularly how they say Trump is going to lose as one of their key reasons for not voting, just like the aggy's said the B12 was collapsing as they were planning to leave.

 

[mchammer]

Cruz will be in the Senate as long as he wants, and after November, Trump will go back to New York in defeat as the disgrace that every intelligent adult has always known him to be.

Trump is going win. Your point is a weak argument to abandon Trump.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Trump is going win. Your point is a weak argument to abandon Trump.

I was never with Trump to abandon him, but that's not the reason I'm not supporting him.

 

[mchammer]

I was never with Trump to abandon him, but that's not the reason I'm not supporting him.

Then stop using it.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Then stop using it.

I didn't use it.

 

[I35]

Cut the apocalyptic nonsense. She'll probably get two appointments (Scalia and Ginsburg). It's terrible, but it's not enough to destroy the conservative movement over and ruin foreign policy successes that have lasted almost 80 years.

So you're okay with 12 to 16 years of Obama and Hillary? I'm already worried if we can recover the past 8 years.

 

[mchammer]

Deez, you voting by mail-in ballot?

 

[Htown77]

Trump accused Cruz's dad of killing JFK and attacked Cruz's wife. I would not respect Cruz if he put partisan politics over his family. Y'all seem to forget Cruz ran as a tea party candidate. Republicans placing rallying around a moderate liberal over family values is precisely why I am completely turned off by the GOP and will not vote Trump. Honestly, I am getting to the point where I hope the republican party dies and we can start over with a southern based conservative party.

The federalist party died and was replaced by the whigs. The whig party died and was replaced by the GOP. The GOP has given us McCain (let's fight never ending war!)/Palin(fool), Romney(rich a**hole)/Ryan(does not understand college football) and now Trump/Pence. Not a single southerner in a southern based party.

The GOP establishment has also been trending to a liberal social party and for ayn rand horsepoop. I agree with limited government, but as a Christian, I do not agree with the Romney/Ryan "let's f*** poor people" ayn rand BS. I am glad that some politicians, like Cruz, have some gumption to not just go along with a New York liberal (who is unqualified and says crazy things) just because an R is next to his name.

The Supreme Court is already a lost cause and I honestly do not trust Trump to nominate another Scalia anyway. My guess is his nominations would be Kennedy and O'Connor.