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How is it that the reaction to these two jerks is that they should be denied the right to make a living as football players?

If I whip my kids to I get to lose my law license?

If the plumber beats his wife does he have to give up his certifications?

If a hairdresser slaps her husband around does she have to surrender her cosmetology license?

This is turning into a totalitarian society.

Any misbehavior can be punished by destroying your ability to earn a living at what you do best. Jeez, I thought that ended with the collapse of the USSR.
 
I think the NFL is a bit different. They try to be role models for society. You can certainly quibble with this. I guess I would also add that it is a privilege not a right to play in the NFL. The contracts all have morals clauses that these guys have arguable violated with this behavior. Finally, if it was in the local paper beating your wife might have a negative impact on your business.
 
Many professions are at risk of losing their jobs for poor behavior. I know my wife as a teacher has some significant moral behavior clauses in her union contract.
 
Lots of people's incomes are subject to the whims of their acceptance/popularity by the people at large. The most noticeable losses of income from this sort of thing come in situations where the person's income was exaggeratedly high because of acceptance/popularity, and then that bubble bursts. This is especially so in entertainment, which is what sports is.

This is mainly accomplished through private transactions, though, not by the government. Thus, fortunately, it does work itself out without some government agency becoming involved. So, it's not really an example of totalitarianism.
 
They should be prosecuted and sent to jail if guilty. Each team should be able to make their own decisions on who is on their team, who plays and how they should represent the team. If they are in jail, pretty hard to fulfill their contract terms.

I see many of these sponsors pulling out, but I suspect it is more about negotiating better deals.
 
The NFL knows that 45% of their fans are women. The NFL wants to retain those fans more than they care about a wife-beater's job "rights" in the NFL. The players are not denied jobs, they can go be greeters at WalMart or grocer sackers somewhere. They don't have any right to make millions in an entertainment business if they don't follow employers' rules.
TV contracts fund the league, sponsors fund the TV media conglomerates, and customers fund the sponsors through buying decisions.
 
It is the contracts they sign that spell out what can happen if you don't or if you do X. X can be subjective. Is it a right to work as an NFL running back(or player) or is it at the whim of the owners/GM and spelled out via contract?
We are tilting away from general freedoms in everyday life though in my estimation but that has not just been in the past few weeks. Cameras everywhere, social media in all the forms, you have to watch what you do/say more than ever. There are benefits and negatives with progress.
 
We're in a space (moment) similar to actions of "crowd sourcing" where the crowd takes on creative participation (ideas), or $funding, or some other group input. In this case, public pressure that can move the bar of ratings, tied to sponsor dollars, and so on. In addition to the moral compass aspects of it. A complex bit of live history that may yield better understanding in hindsight months from now when a longer look back, better grasps it.
 
Honestly, the criminal justice system does pretty well with this sort of stuff. When you knock out a woman and beat a four-year-old so bad it leaves long-lasting welts, there should be consequences. I think those consequences should instruct and stop well short of ending a professional career.

That said, the NFL is a brand, as are a lot of people who pay a lot of money to professional athletes. People who have role models and life experience to think it OK to use the fist every once in a while "to keep your ***** in line" have a great learning opportunity here. If they want to behave that way there certainly are countries that permit it -- countries that may cut off you hand if you steal and punish certain kinds of sexual immorality with death.
 
Actually, in the example with law license, the indictment by itself would get the attention of the Disciplinary Committee...conviction, even on a deferred adjudication sort of disposition (which is not technically a conviction for most purposes) COULD result in a suspension of privileges. Depending on severity of the injuries, disbarment isn't out of the realm...

Other professions where someone is licensed or bonded would also potentially be effected in a similar fashion.

So yes, lines of work other than professional sports have codes in place that allow for one's ability to work in that field to be restricted or curtailed in their entirety when one chooses to commit a felony offense.
 
Certainly the employers have the right to terminate anyone that acts in a way that is inconsistent with their stated/contracted moral and ethics clauses. Look around at the people that have been fired for simply posting opinions to facebook and the like, that the employer didn't like.

What I haven't liked about all this is that it was done simply to appease the media and public and done on a timeline to fit the media cycle. I hate that the NFL hasn't taken a more considered approach to fixing themselves over the years. They could absolutely impact the attitude toward violence and drugs if they chose to. They simply have not been willing to....so I guess it takes a 'media storm' to make these people act. So maybe I don't hate way it has gone down as much as I thought I did.
 
Why is the NFL the moral guideline? How about the legal system? Letting Rice off with taking a year long class?

The NFL is not a moral compass...that anyone only brings this up in a reactive state is a joke to begin with, where was the media before, back with Warren Moon? or Bobby Cox or when that Panther killed his wife?

Don't blame the NFL for your moral compass, the media is on a witch hunt because they are in this for ratings and ratings only, and that people are making this such a huge issue should take their vented anger or outrage out on the legal system, not the NFL. Put Rice in jail and the NFL will react correctly. It is not the NFL's job to police the illegal actions of their players anymore than another employer.
 
To some extent, I agree majorwhiteapples. The media is what pays the bills for the NFL though. That's why this matters. When the customers are upsets, businesses are forced to be reactive.
 
Surveys are saying that this will not affect anyone watching the NFL or very few people......

Just tired of the witch hunt on the NFL, what about witch hunting Rice or the legal system?

Anyway, I never cared for the NFL and don't watch it much anyway, just tired of these two bit ex players(Cris Carter), spouting his immature mouth.
 
Teachers lose their license for a DWI.

AP deserves what he has coming to him. He beats multiple children, and has 9 children by 7 women.
 
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