Musburger1
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Amazing how sick our leadership is.
Retired Admiral Lyons on Benghazi
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ProdigalHorn
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I'd click the "like" button, but I'm not sure that's very appropriate considering that I don't "like" what happened at all... but it's a sad story and every time I hear it, it makes me more angry when people try to say that there's nothing to see in investigating and demanding answers and accountability.
Seattle Husker
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I don't know anything about Admiral Lyon's but found this on Wikipedia:
At 87yrs of age, he may no longer have his use of all his faculties. At a minimum he's a conspiracy theorist. LOL @ John Brennan a Muslim convert.
At 87yrs of age, he may no longer have his use of all his faculties. At a minimum he's a conspiracy theorist. LOL @ John Brennan a Muslim convert.
I know it is just a television show, but when "Homeland" had the episode where the US embassy was over-run, it sent chills down my spine.
I imagine the real thing was fairly close. The awareness, the sense of impending danger, and most probably death, then being swarmed and over-powered...how anyone, on either side believe that this isn't worth investigating, or that it doesn't matter or make a difference, is beyond me.
I imagine the real thing was fairly close. The awareness, the sense of impending danger, and most probably death, then being swarmed and over-powered...how anyone, on either side believe that this isn't worth investigating, or that it doesn't matter or make a difference, is beyond me.
ProdigalHorn
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You'd think that the line of people wanting to be an ambassador under a Clinton administration would be pretty short, for sure.
I hate Hilary a little less than I hate her husband but getting all worked up over a screw up like this strikes me as overdoing it.
Reagan sent Marines into Lebanon for no good reason at all and over 250 of them got blown up for no good reason. Then he pulled them out and Osama claimed that withdrawal told him the Americans would not fight if you inflicted a few casualties. That misinterpretation cost him his life but Reagan's blunder did not hurt him at all.
Hilary has no business running anything beyond a futures market business in Little Rock but this is excessive.
Reagan sent Marines into Lebanon for no good reason at all and over 250 of them got blown up for no good reason. Then he pulled them out and Osama claimed that withdrawal told him the Americans would not fight if you inflicted a few casualties. That misinterpretation cost him his life but Reagan's blunder did not hurt him at all.
Hilary has no business running anything beyond a futures market business in Little Rock but this is excessive.
Seattle Husker
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Here, from that ultra right wing network ABC
"America's subsequent hasty exit from that mission, which was originally to support United Nations humanitarian operations in Mogadishu, emboldened a little-known terrorist leader at the time named Osama bin Laden, who boasted that the U.S. superpower was weak for withdrawing after losing G.I.s in "minor battles" there.
"You left [Somalia] carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you," bin Laden taunted in his 1996 fatwa against America.
What bin Laden didn't say in 1996 was that his henchmen had a hand in training and equipping the Somali militiamen who inflicted the worst day of casualties in the history of U.S. Special Operations Forces. Deadly al Qaeda attacks in the Horn of Africa against U.S. targets in 1996, 1998 and 2000 followed, leading up to 9/11.
"It is true that al Qaeda was emboldened by 1993 – it was their first successful attack on us and we were unaware of bin Laden's involvement until later," former Sen. Bob Kerrey, who served on the 9/11 Commission, told ABC News on Thursday.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/black-hawk-anniversary-al-qaedas-hidden-hand/story?id=20462820
Weren't we supplying the mujahadeen(sp?) in the early to mid 80's and wasn't OBL part of that? I couldn't find where he made an reference to the Marines getting killed and Reagan pulling them out after the fall of the gov't in Lebanon. Maybe he did. I just couldn't find it
"America's subsequent hasty exit from that mission, which was originally to support United Nations humanitarian operations in Mogadishu, emboldened a little-known terrorist leader at the time named Osama bin Laden, who boasted that the U.S. superpower was weak for withdrawing after losing G.I.s in "minor battles" there.
"You left [Somalia] carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you," bin Laden taunted in his 1996 fatwa against America.
What bin Laden didn't say in 1996 was that his henchmen had a hand in training and equipping the Somali militiamen who inflicted the worst day of casualties in the history of U.S. Special Operations Forces. Deadly al Qaeda attacks in the Horn of Africa against U.S. targets in 1996, 1998 and 2000 followed, leading up to 9/11.
"It is true that al Qaeda was emboldened by 1993 – it was their first successful attack on us and we were unaware of bin Laden's involvement until later," former Sen. Bob Kerrey, who served on the 9/11 Commission, told ABC News on Thursday.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/black-hawk-anniversary-al-qaedas-hidden-hand/story?id=20462820
Weren't we supplying the mujahadeen(sp?) in the early to mid 80's and wasn't OBL part of that? I couldn't find where he made an reference to the Marines getting killed and Reagan pulling them out after the fall of the gov't in Lebanon. Maybe he did. I just couldn't find it
google osama reagan lebanon and there are scads of stories about the connection. In an interview with ABC in 1998 Osama BL said the actions related to the marine killings in Lebanon showed the US would not stand up to a long fight with casualties.
I could have easily used the Clinton example, as OBL used him as well but I am reading Nancy Reagan's memoirs right now and recalled what OBL said about the death of the marines. And it was 241 marines, not 250 as I said earlier.
I could have easily used the Clinton example, as OBL used him as well but I am reading Nancy Reagan's memoirs right now and recalled what OBL said about the death of the marines. And it was 241 marines, not 250 as I said earlier.
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The link I read said OBL wanted to take down our towers in revenge for going into Lebanon which is not the same as saying Reagan ' s withdrawal showed we were a paper tiger running when faced with losing
If you have a link that has OBL saying Reagan ' s withdrawal showed the USA had no stomach to fight please post it.
Again I am not disputing you. I just tried and could not find where OBL said that in same context as OBL saying Clinton withdrawing from Somalia proved USA would not fight.
here is what I found OBL said in reference to Lebanon:
"God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers. But after the situation became unbearable and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I thought about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed -- when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the U.S. 6th Fleet.
In those difficult moments, many emotions came over me that are hard to describe, but that produced an overwhelming feeling to reject injustice and a strong determination to punish the unjust.
As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the unjust the same way [and] to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and stop killing our children and women."
The link I read said OBL wanted to take down our towers in revenge for going into Lebanon which is not the same as saying Reagan ' s withdrawal showed we were a paper tiger running when faced with losing
If you have a link that has OBL saying Reagan ' s withdrawal showed the USA had no stomach to fight please post it.
Again I am not disputing you. I just tried and could not find where OBL said that in same context as OBL saying Clinton withdrawing from Somalia proved USA would not fight.
here is what I found OBL said in reference to Lebanon:
"God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers. But after the situation became unbearable and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I thought about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed -- when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the U.S. 6th Fleet.
In those difficult moments, many emotions came over me that are hard to describe, but that produced an overwhelming feeling to reject injustice and a strong determination to punish the unjust.
As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the unjust the same way [and] to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and stop killing our children and women."
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