Repubs cave to Obama on Debt Cieling extension
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Before I make my comment, let me say that I am no fan of either party and I do not root for these kind of victories.
I am glad you are happy that we are on a downward spiral. Raising the debt ceiling is only delaying the inevitable collapse of our economy if we don't find a way to control our spending. We also have to create more revenue. This can be achieved by a combination of spending cuts, must pays reform (medicare, social security) and a tax code overhaul. I also think we have to address the debt separately. My solution to debt management is to have a small national sales tax of 2%. With this we all have a stake in paying off our debt, including foreign, illegal aliens and anyone else who spends money in this country.
I don't know why the government cannot work on easy solutions to our toughest national problem.
I am glad you are happy that we are on a downward spiral. Raising the debt ceiling is only delaying the inevitable collapse of our economy if we don't find a way to control our spending. We also have to create more revenue. This can be achieved by a combination of spending cuts, must pays reform (medicare, social security) and a tax code overhaul. I also think we have to address the debt separately. My solution to debt management is to have a small national sales tax of 2%. With this we all have a stake in paying off our debt, including foreign, illegal aliens and anyone else who spends money in this country.
I don't know why the government cannot work on easy solutions to our toughest national problem.
R35
only YOU could call what the GopReps offered a "cave" on the "cielling"( whatever that is)
R35 conveniently did not post all of Cantor's statement.
here
"The first step to fixing this problem is to pass a budget that reduces spending. The House has done so, and will again. The Democratic Senate has not passed a budget in almost four years, which is unfair to hardworking taxpayers who expect more from their representatives. That ends this year.
We must pay our bills and responsibly budget for our future. Next week, we will authorize a three month temporary debt limit increase to give the Senate and House time to pass a budget. Furthermore, if the Senate or House fails to pass a budget in that time, Members of Congress will not be paid by the American people for failing to do their job. No budget, no pay."
Anyone disagree with that?
But if the GOP " caving" to supporters like R35 forces the Senate to finally act and pass a budget then r35 can do all the childish chortling he wants.
He may be the ONLY person left in America who does not understand we have a spending problem and a budget at least starts to address that.
here is what Ryan said
"“Since taking the majority, House Republicans have done their job,” Ryan said in the statement. “We’ve passed a budget that promotes economic growth and gets spending under control. But for nearly four years, Senate Democrats have refused to pass a budget. Today’s agreement will hold the Senate accountable for this legal and moral failure. Just as April 15 is tax day for American families, it is budget day for Congress. Unless the Senate acts, there will be no consideration of a long-term debt-ceiling increase. I look forward to working with my colleagues—in both houses and in both parties—on this vital issue.”
only YOU could call what the GopReps offered a "cave" on the "cielling"( whatever that is)
R35 conveniently did not post all of Cantor's statement.
here
"The first step to fixing this problem is to pass a budget that reduces spending. The House has done so, and will again. The Democratic Senate has not passed a budget in almost four years, which is unfair to hardworking taxpayers who expect more from their representatives. That ends this year.
We must pay our bills and responsibly budget for our future. Next week, we will authorize a three month temporary debt limit increase to give the Senate and House time to pass a budget. Furthermore, if the Senate or House fails to pass a budget in that time, Members of Congress will not be paid by the American people for failing to do their job. No budget, no pay."
Anyone disagree with that?
But if the GOP " caving" to supporters like R35 forces the Senate to finally act and pass a budget then r35 can do all the childish chortling he wants.
He may be the ONLY person left in America who does not understand we have a spending problem and a budget at least starts to address that.
here is what Ryan said
"“Since taking the majority, House Republicans have done their job,” Ryan said in the statement. “We’ve passed a budget that promotes economic growth and gets spending under control. But for nearly four years, Senate Democrats have refused to pass a budget. Today’s agreement will hold the Senate accountable for this legal and moral failure. Just as April 15 is tax day for American families, it is budget day for Congress. Unless the Senate acts, there will be no consideration of a long-term debt-ceiling increase. I look forward to working with my colleagues—in both houses and in both parties—on this vital issue.”
paso
you have always seemed like a smart person even when I don't agree with you.
I wasn't sure why you chose to post something about Cantor instead of what he and other GOP Reps are trying to do
surely you aren't saying we don't need to address spending?
so far Bo and Dems have been able to ignore budgets and any real plans for reducing spending.
if this " gimmick" results in BO and Dems finally getting a budget through the Senate are you against that?
if this gimmick gets Dems seriously looking at spending are you against that?
you have always seemed like a smart person even when I don't agree with you.
I wasn't sure why you chose to post something about Cantor instead of what he and other GOP Reps are trying to do
surely you aren't saying we don't need to address spending?
so far Bo and Dems have been able to ignore budgets and any real plans for reducing spending.
if this " gimmick" results in BO and Dems finally getting a budget through the Senate are you against that?
if this gimmick gets Dems seriously looking at spending are you against that?
What they really need to do is stop using fiscal cliffs and debt ceilings as a vehicle to deal with the budget. We can't undo the debt on spending that's already been done, and they look dumb trying to.
Instead, use the normal budget process and simply appropriate less money. They complain that the Senate hasn't passed a budget in four years, but stop giving them continuing resolutions, and they'll have to come to the table.
Instead, use the normal budget process and simply appropriate less money. They complain that the Senate hasn't passed a budget in four years, but stop giving them continuing resolutions, and they'll have to come to the table.
HornsForever'93
1,000+ Posts
Go Republicans, cry some more. You can cry on Rick Perry's shoulder. He will pat your back and tell u everything is ok
H
Hu_Fan
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Back in the old days when Sam Rayburn, D-Texas (longest serving Speaker of the House, 17 years) wiki link was around, and then later LBJ, the art of compromise and making a deal, or a trade, was the way to go.
Much as I dislike Obama's politics, he may have crafted something here. He must know the 2nd Amendment is the most treasured right of all rights (I put it ahead of 1st amendment rights because without the 2nd, the government has no reason to uphold the first -- they are armed, the citizens would not be)-- so he put the gun measures front and center to send a clear message to conservatives -- trade? !!!!
Some deals can be made to let the more serious encroachments of gun legislation never see the light of day -- in exchange for working out a favorable move through the debt problems. Obama gets credit for moving things forward with the economy which affects EVERYONE, while the matters on semi-vs-bolt action, or tube vs. magazine and how many and what... all that goes relatively unaffected. Even Ted Cruz, as I heard, is not clammering against more beefed up background checks, things like that.
Much as I dislike Obama's politics, he may have crafted something here. He must know the 2nd Amendment is the most treasured right of all rights (I put it ahead of 1st amendment rights because without the 2nd, the government has no reason to uphold the first -- they are armed, the citizens would not be)-- so he put the gun measures front and center to send a clear message to conservatives -- trade? !!!!
Some deals can be made to let the more serious encroachments of gun legislation never see the light of day -- in exchange for working out a favorable move through the debt problems. Obama gets credit for moving things forward with the economy which affects EVERYONE, while the matters on semi-vs-bolt action, or tube vs. magazine and how many and what... all that goes relatively unaffected. Even Ted Cruz, as I heard, is not clammering against more beefed up background checks, things like that.
hornyhoosier
500+ Posts
You "win" Roger. I'm glad you are happy. Let's all just hit the accelerator on screwing the country. Why don't we just increase spending 10 fold? Single payer healthcare, free college (hell, free post grad too), free housing for all, free food for all, clothing allowances, forced 3 day weekends, guaranteed 6 week vacation minimum, retirement age of 50, $80k/yr minimum wage and government jobs for all! Doesn't it sound great!
WE CAN DO IT. YES WE CAN!
WE CAN DO IT. YES WE CAN!
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