Really sick stuff here

Yikes.






(An odd aside. I started to write "yikes" but must have clicked too soon. The hook 'em icon script appeared. Glad I caught that.)
 
I saw that last night, and for the first time in all the years of her troubles, I really felt sorry for her. I can't imagine how hard it must be for her to talk about it.
 
Don't do heroin. Really. Just don't do it. It's not good for you.
 
Dealing with substance abuse issues in my own family as we speak, it is difficult for me to give her a great deal of credence. On a daily basis my other invents all kinds of loony **** that never happened or she has totally misinterpreted. Some of it innocent and some of it less so. She has abused alcohol and ambien for years and she's been loopy for all those years. Sometimes she REALLY BELIEVES what she is saying and it couldn't be more wrong. For example, we couldn't get the whole group together to attend family day together at her first rehab place until about a week after she came home. She claimed that her doctors said it was perfectly fine for her to resume taking ambien. Knowing they probably didn't say that and knowing FOR SURE that they didn't approve of her driving down to Mexico to buy enough ambien to ingest 25 to 30 mg a night without a prescription I straight out asked the doctor in front of the whole family day group if my mother had misunderstood whether or not she was allowed to go back to her Ambien. The doctor got a really funny look on his face and stated, and I quote (I wrote it down): "There is no misunderstanding at all Mr. Danger. I have repeatedly told her before and I will say it again IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS - Your mother SHOULD NEVER TAKE AMBIEN AGAIN UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!! ANY QUESTIONS?".

She swears to this day he said just the opposite inmy presence and is even mad that her doctors are telling her this now and that she wouldn't be in the fix she is in at the moment if only her doctor had told her not to take ambien anymore. She really believes this to be reality.

It's hard enough to read your own mind and memory when you are sober...
 
holy **** Nick, that's the last thing you need to be dealing with.

I hope it's not taking too much out of you.
 
i saw an interview with her a year or so ago where she said that her dad arranged for her to go up and have sex with mick jagger at his apartment on her 17th or 18th birthday. at that time i thought the guy was a sicko. this is just beyond comprehension.
 
BW, there's nothing left to take, but I'm actually doing the best I've been in a year.

Back to the thread, I didn't believe her when she came out and said **** like this before and I really don't believe her now. This just Screams of a ploy for attention. At least to me.
 
I agree with NickD and don't believe her. This appears to be a convenient expose for a book-selling tour. Her allegations are vigorously refuted by family members. And, of course, her father isn't around to defend himself. Again, quite convenient.
 
I know someone who was sexually abused by her father when she was a teenager. At the time of the abuse, she was the last child remaining at home and mom was working nights. It happened regularly for over a year.

Eventually, she told her older (adult) siblings who were all in their early 20s, out of town off to college or working. Dad was confronted by the 3 male siblings. He admitted it. They threatened to call authorities. He said he would commit suicide if she/they told police... So, siblings left the decision up to lil' sis, the victim. A huge mistake in my opinion. She did not prosecute. Another huge mistake in my opinion. They also chose not to tell their mom. The victim was not in an emotion or mental state to know what was right. She was racked by massive guilt about tearing the family apart. 10 years later mom found out. She is still in denial.

Unbelievably, 15 years later, she still interacts with him and seems to have a decent relationship with him. It boggles my mind. The victim's husband and siblings (all adults in their 30s) know about it and will have little to do with "Dad." He is not allowed any access to the grandkids of siblings. However, the victim interacts with her dad in an almost normal way, almost as if nothing ever happened, AND she does let grandpa around her young child. Although her husband doesn't like it, he has decided to comply with his wife's wishes. The victim's mom didn't know at the time the decision was made not to prosecute, but she currently pressures the other kids to normalize their relationship with dad and to let the grandkids come around. So far they haven't. So, his punishment has been... to be shunned by all of his kids except the one he abused. To be denied access to all of his grandkids except the child of the one he abused. It is so nutty I can't even begin to get my mind around it. Forgiveness? Shame? Still under his control? Who knows the long term effects of her being regularly sexually abused by her father for years.

Having never experienced such abuse I cannot imagine the pain and damage done. I think she should have prosecuted his ***. If she couldn't do it on her own, the older adult siblings should have gone to police anyway. Mom should have been told. It may have been tough on her and the rest family but they would have recovered. Dad would have gone to jail. And real healing could have taken place. Now it's just this big family secret.

The mom (currently) seems committed to upholding the family image. Every time I see him, which is not very often, all I see is a man who sexually abused his own daughter. Then I see his daughter talking with him like any other daughter would to her father, and it just doesn't compute.

A friend of mine who used to counsel people who've been sexually abused said this type of thing is more common than I think. I hope he is wrong.
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I am always stunned by the mom's of incest victims who are either in denial or blame their daughter for allowing the abuse to happen. I literally want to grab them by their hair and shake as much pain and sense into them as I am humanly able to do.

I had a step-grandfather who tried to abuse my sister and I. He wanted a kiss except he tried to French kiss us. We told our mother and we were never allowed to be alone with him again. That is what should happen.

When the news of the Dugard case was coming out, I know it was incest, I was more enraged that his wife allowed this to happen in her home for 19 years.

I quit working at MHMR in 1980 and part of the reason was there were many incest cases that were being seen at the MH center. The workers at CPS stated they were just seeing the tip of the iceberg. Some of these fathers were abusing their daughters and sons. That was so disgusting and depressing it helped me decided to seek employment in another field.

From what I have seen and read in the years since then, we are still just seeing the tip of the ice berg in these cases. Many adults have finally told their story. Many more have not told their story and their demon is still chasing them.

Is Mackenzie lying? I doubt it. If a man will shoot drugs into his 11 y/o daughter, I would bet he would have sex with her too. He had no judgment and zero sense of right and wrong. Maybe telling her story will give her peace of mind and help her stay clean and sober.
 
I have known of biological fathers who have committed incest (I was a news reporter). It's not that rare.

Ans besides, don't you think that a father that is frequently gorked out on drugs might make a move that he wouldn't if he were sober?
 
The Elizabeth Smart case is just as ugly, and heartbreaking. She said he raped her 3-4 times DAILY for months until she was found. And she was only 14 years old.
 
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