Re: So football declares a MNC (rather than a NC)?

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I know March Madness is fun and all, but really? VCU may be the National Champion?

Certainly they stomped KU. No question about it.

But what about so many of the other games in which it's the last person with the ball, or the luck of the shot, or in other cases, the ref's whistle that calls the game. For Texas, it's game over. But coulda, woulda, shoulda for game after game and then it's two also-rans playing for the NC.

Personally, I thought that a 2-loss LSU getting the MNC in football sucked. But a team that went 12-6 in the CAA conference? Really?

Guess that's the beauty of a tournament. Sure they beat KU, but then USC beat us. Doesn't mean that USC is better than us, does it?

Just my .02. FWIW
 
This is why every sport needs a tournament. If you can't prove it when the chips are down, then you aren't the national champ.
 
If Football had a 4 team playoff you might still be calling it the MNC game. That is why I think they need to have an 8 or 16 team playoff to start off with. Great thing about college baasketball is that is crowns the team that is playing the best at the end of the season. You can start off slow and then turn into a championship level team. In football if you blow 1 game you often have zero shot at winning. Then of course there are all of the undefeated teams that never even got a shot.
 
when I hear arguments against a football tournament, I think the big schools and their fans are simply afraid of being Butlered or VCU'd.
 
Couple of different arguments now.

As for the 64 team basketball tournament (now 68 team). How about Butler who finished #2 last year and almost beat Duke getting a #8 seed and being unranked to start the tournament. They haven't lost a freakin' game since February 3rd and they get little respect in seeding.

The only reason conference champions get an auto bid is to create an atmosphere that will want to watch those tournaments. Regular season results are what should matter in deciding who gets in or out.
 
"But what about so many of the other games in which it's the last person with the ball, or the luck of the shot"

Clearly the OP hasn't watched much of VCU in the tourney. VCU played 1 close game - against FSU. They have won their other 4 games by an AVERAGE OF 12 points. They beat #1 seed Kansas by double digits.

VCU isn't winning by having the ball last or with the luck of the shot. And I know you wouldn't be starting this thread if Kansas or tOSU was winning on last possession shots.

Hell, Butler has won their last 6 or 7 tourney games by less than 2 points on average, but is going into their second consecutive Final 4. Are they just lucky?
 
just win baby, i'm all in favor of playoffs in football, just a manageable number of teams like 8, who deserved to be there.
 
The tournament format means that you are searching for the winner of the tourney, not the best overall team. It's s sweepstake.

With polling you are trying to discern the best team based on disparate information as no one plays identical schedules or remains a team of the same quality over the course of a year. Basketball gets this right more often because their sample is larger due to the nature of the game and its scheduling.

Football would get much closer to a truly deserving MNC if it had a 12 team tourney (we simply never discuss teams outside the top 10 when trying to decide who is the best team in a given college football season, so going 12 should cover it). A mixture of conference champs and top polled teams should lead to a bracket made up mostly of the top 12 or so teams. Sure, some arguments would be made about who deserves to be in, but it would be far better than the current cluster **** that is the BCS.

Unless you can play a series of games against all of the teams that are good enough to be considered then you can't really have the best system for deciding who is best. Even the NHL and the NBA, who have many series made up of more than half of the league's teams can't get a series between all of the last-standing squads.

Bottom line: tourneys don't point out the best team, only the winner of the tourney. That is more comprehendable than the BCS, which tries to establish a game between the two best teams based on crazy pollings by disparate sources using disparate information.
 
The very concept of "the best team" is a fallacy. Meaningless. All we can say is "this is the team that won" and leave it at that. Which is why college basketball is awesome and the BCS blows.
 
Congrats to UConn, the 2010 NCAA tournament champion.

Congrats to tOSU, the (IMHO) deserving national champion of the entire 2010 season and kudos to Mike Adras, the only voter with enough balls to point out the obvious.

A one and done tournament is a fun but ultimately unfair way to determine a national champion. Lets just call the tourney the NCAA Cup and have it at the beginning of the season.
 
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