payroll tax cuts part deux

It will be interesting

I did not know that as psrt of the 2 mon extension they imposed a fee on all new mortgages and refi's
a 200k loan's fee would be approx 10k over life of loan
that seems pretty jefty to pay for a 2 month extension.

what will they do this time?
 
Cutting the funding to Social Security was one hell of an idea to start with. Now they have to extend it. There are few other options.
 
It was a good idea to pass the payroll tax cut, and it should be kept. In fact, they should cut it again. Like I've said previously, Republican reluctance/opposition only exists because the tax cut doesn't do much for the people who bankroll them. However, it helps everyone else and helps undermine the BS Social Security trust fund fairy tale. If they get labeled as being supportive of raising Social Security taxes, they are dead meat in 2012 and deservedly so.
 
How is cutting the payroll tax and putting SS in further peril a good idea?

Washington needs to stop the class warfare crap....we need a substantial compromise on the part of the people paying the bills AND the people living off the system.
 
The payroll tax reduction is just another stimulus plan that damages the long-term viability of Social Security. Why do none of the nutless politicians on either side put some reasonable plans to correct this problem on the table and get this problem solved (other than their fear of re-election)? SS is not your standard entitlement, everyone who is employed pays into it and is entitled to receive the benefits upon retirement. A few changes will insure that those benefits continue for current payees, despite the raping of the fund in past years for other "needs". We should insist that our elected representatives step up and correct this problem instead of kicking it further down the road with additional extensions of this payroll tax cut.
 
Shiner, gecko, et al.,

You guys are unbelievable. You're talking about the Social Security trust fund as though it's real. I expect that from liberal Democrats who consider FDR to have been the Second Coming of Christ and who will lie about the program to sustain New Deal's legacy and political viability. I also expect that from AARP dumbasses who have shut their brains off to seriously discussing the issue. I don't expect that from conservatives, who know better. You guys are entertaining what you know to be a lie to justify raising taxes on working families, and that's pitiful. This is the kind of intellectual dishonestly and fraud that converted me from being a loyal Republican into a disgruntled Republican.

No, my plan isn't to bankrupt Social Security anymore than extending the Bush tax cuts would be a plan to bankrupt it. There's nothing to bankrupt. To recap what I've said many times, what Democratic politicians have always called and Republican politicians are now selectively calling the "trust fund" is raided every year and spent, but it is backed by the full faith and credit of the government.

In other word, its surplus is spent on non-Social Security expenditures, and if it runs a deficit, the general revenue (meaning revenue from non-FICA taxes) will back up the program. Those two factors make it an entirely illusory entity. If you cut or raise someone's income or FICA taxes, the real impact on Social Security is the same.

When we're talking about privatization, Republicans portray the program as it really is. However, when we're talking about cutting working people's taxes, we resuscitate the crooked liberal Democrats' crap and pretend it's the truth. And that is a short-sighted, hypocritical crock of sh*t. The program is the biggest rip-off and governmental theft in the history of public policy, and you guys are helping to perpetuate the theft when you make arguments like the ones you're making, and you're doing it for no reason other than petty partisanship. Sad.
 
Deez-

I haven't seen anything here that indicates that anyone believes that there is a lockbox somewhere that contains all past social security taxes that have been collected and from which payments are regularly made. I think that everyone realizes that social security taxes have been spent for other things throughout the past, and now only government IOU's remain. Nevertheless, everyone in this country that works for wages has social security taxes taken from their pay checks each pay period that is earmarked for use for social security payments. Projections show that the demands for that money will exceed the taxes withheld in the forseeable future, and that situation is exacerbated by reducing the amount withheld.

This payroll tax cut obviously benefits a greater percentage of the population than the Bush tax cuts might, but it is still kicking the can down the road as far as resolving the problem and providing for the benefits that are being paid for by all wage earners. I'm worried about my children and grandchildren when this all falls apart and they are left without these benefits. Short term political gain from a stimulus plan by the Dems to help Obama get re-elected doesn't make sense to me.

Additionally, bear in mind that the socialistic proposals that we have seen from this administration to date have been tempered somewhat by the desire to gain a second term. I can only imagine what we might see when that restraint is lifted and we deal with a lame duck President who is only worried about his legacy.
 
old'un
you posted, " Why do none of the nutless politicians on either side put some reasonable plans to correct this problem on the table "

don't let MSM and BO lie to you. The GOP controlled House have passed nearly a dozen bills that would get things going including 4 bills that were already passed that covered area Bo in his SOTU speech said wre a prioroty
 
There's some news coming out that the pubs are ready to tuck their tails and pass PRTC extension alongwith extended unemp benefits.
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Mr. Deez-

To address a couple of your points:

Most of us recognize that there is a "trust fund" that has been funded by FICA withholding throughj the years, and there is a "balance" in that fund, even if it is only on paper because the funds have been raided for other uses. We also know that this "trust fund" balance will not be sufficient to pay for future benefits unless something is done to either increase the contributions or decrease and/or delay the benefits that are anticipated.

Why do I care whether the benefits come from income tax or FICA? Because there are many more people who have FICA taken from their pay checks than there are people who pay income taxes. In my opinion, that is one of the greatest problems that we need to correct, is the fact that half of our population pays no income tax.

You emphasize that the fact that the "trust fund" dollars have been spent in the past, and continue to be spent now, for things other than the original intent, and I think most of us would agree with that statement. That is one of the things that needs to be changed with this program.

Since when does a conservative claim to be worried about their children's future based upon the availability of a Government program? This program is not a tax per se, it is forced retirement funding, much like a private pension would be. Steps have been taken by the Government to insure that evil old companies do not deprive their employees of their pension benefits if they go broke, and similar steps need to be taken to insure that SS benefits are available for those who have paid into the fund througout their working lives.

As far as people using the FICA money for their private retirement funding, do you believe that most people would set that amount aside in a plan that would earn interest and/or equity sufficient to provide for their retirement, or would they use it to improve their present quality of life (or waste it), and arrive at their old age with no means of support? I voted for GWB twice, but I think if he had been successful in privatizing SS when he tried, many people would have been wiped out by the stock market in the subsequent years. Maybe protecting a lot of the population from themselves is necessary to some extent-that is what SS represents to me.

Finally, the payroll tax reduction, like the Bush tax cuts, was meant to be a temporary stimulus to the economy, not a permanent change. Now when it comes time to revert back to the prior levels, it is labeled a tax increase and whoever brings it up is against the middle class. WTF is that about?
 
pharm
'while the Pubs got extention of Bush tax cuts for those making over 250k a year, "
UH so the Bush tax cuts were rescinded for those making under 250K?

so Dems hate poor people and back children?
 

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