Pac 12/Big 12 merger...........

Sounds good for the Irate 8 but not that great for the Pac-12. Is USC going to love showing off their teams in Lubbock, Waco, and well, at least Ft. Worth can be viewed as Dallas.
 
n64ra said:
Sounds good for the Irate 8 but not that great for the Pac-12. Is USC going to love showing off their teams in Lubbock, Waco, and well, at least Ft. Worth can be viewed as Dallas.
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I don't see it happening. If it does it's a desperation move the Pac 12 to stay together and will soon mean that some of the Pac 12 will exit.
 
The $EC's goal is to blow-up the NCAA's involvement in the top 64 schools' athletic endeavors. Anything happening now is subject to change when the NCAA throws in the towel.
 
So why would the PAC 12 want to add a bunch of teams that draw relatively small television audiences? West Coaat population is enormous but they have less interest in football than Texas and SEC states
 
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Crockett said:
So why would the PAC 12 want to add a bunch of teams that draw relatively small television audiences?
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Great question, Crockett. There's no good reason for the PAC-12 to want the leftovers - they add little TV market, the stadia are relatively small, and the travel would be a nightmare.
 
HornHuskerDad said:
Great question, Crockett. There's no good reason for the PAC-12 to want the leftovers - they add little TV market, the stadia are relatively small, and the travel would be a nightmare.
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In TV terms Ft. Worth pulls in the entire DFW Metroplex so TCU is the one that would add value on the scale of the Bay Area.
 
Seattle Husker said:
If Rutgers gets the B1G credit for the NYC market in terms of TV contract negotiation anything is possible.
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That was a onetime Delany contract, and shows what happens when you have a real commissioner. Delany rushed to get the extra money from Rutgers & Maryland before the contract was up. Media won't make that mistake again.
 
SabreHorn said:
That was a onetime Delany contract, and shows what happens when you have a real commissioner. Delany rushed to get the extra money from Rutgers & Maryland before the contract was up. Media won't make that mistake again.
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The contract won't go down based on leaks of the negotiations so it seems to me the B1G will continue to get the benefit of including those eyeballs.
 
ViperHorn said:
In TV terms Ft. Worth pulls in the entire DFW Metroplex so TCU is the one that would add value on the scale of the Bay Area.
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And seems like TTU alumni are a big enough group to get viewers from the Big 5 areas. I assume their "watching power" is bigger than several of the Pac12 schools and in a new market.
 
I wonder where TCU ranks in popularity among college football viewers in Fort Worth. Ahead of Texas. A&M. OU. Bama?
 
n64ra said:
Sounds good for the Irate 8 but not that great for the Pac-12. Is USC going to love showing off their teams in Lubbock, Waco, and well, at least Ft. Worth can be viewed as Dallas.
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Washington State is in Pullman. Lubbock is better than Pullman, and West Texas has a lot of ttu fans that know how to turn on a TV. Not to mention the rather large alum base that follows the red raiders from all over Texas.

OSU will bring a lot of whatever Oklahoma has to offer in terms of viewers. It is a football loving state and even the boomer fans will watch osu play the west coast teams for various and sundry perverted reasons. So there is that.

And of course TCU does bring a lot of eyeballs from the metro plex. Fort worth is now the 12th largest city in the nation.

Other than TCU and TTU, and OSU I don't see the other schools bringing much to the Pac 12 of value.
 
Crockett said:
I wonder where TCU ranks in popularity among college football viewers in Fort Worth. Ahead of Texas. A&M. OU. Bama?
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As a lifelong FW resident who is not an alum of TCU, I can say with some confidence that TCU ranks ahead of all those schools in popularity. Texas is second and atm 3rd.
 
caryhorn said:
Washington State is in Pullman. Lubbock is better than Pullman, and West Texas has a lot of ttu fans that know how to turn on a TV. Not to mention the rather large alum base that follows the red raiders from all over Texas.

OSU will bring a lot of whatever Oklahoma has to offer in terms of viewers. It is a football loving state and even the boomer fans will watch osu play the west coast teams for various and sundry perverted reasons. So there is that.

And of course TCU does bring a lot of eyeballs from the metro plex. Fort worth is now the 12th largest city in the nation.

Other than TCU and TTU, and OSU I don't see the other schools bringing much to the Pac 12 of value.
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WSU and Oregon St essentially bring little to the table in the Pac 12. They are not what any new schools should be measured against as they are a drag on average revenue payout. Does OSU (OK St), TTU and others bring in an additional $24M or more to the Pac 12 TV contract? That's the question that the Pac 12 needs to answer. Realistically, all the powers like USC, UW and Stanford would be worried about new schools diluting their share of the proceeds.
 
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WSU and Oregon St essentially bring little to the table in the Pac 12. They are not what any new schools should be measured against as they are a drag on average revenue payout. Does OSU (OK St), TTU and others bring in an additional $24M or more to the Pac 12 TV contract? That's the question that the Pac 12 needs to answer. Realistically, all the powers like USC, UW and Stanford would be worried about new schools diluting their share of the proceeds.
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Did Utah bring in that kind of $ to the PAC? They’re not even close to BYU in popularity in their own home state. A state with so-so population #s. .
 
Chop said:
Did Utah bring in that kind of $ to the PAC? They’re not even close to BYU in popularity in their own home state. A state with so-so population #s. .
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Utah balanced Colorado and I'd wager that the richer Pac12 schools are not enamored with repeating that mistake, especially as other conferences get richer. They joined in 2011 so the Pac 12 has a decade to see that lower profile schools inhibit your revenue potential.
 
It's OK to have one cousin Eddie. But if your Christmas dinner guests include 12 guys in leisure suits and white shoes my guess is eventually you prefer a more intimate family gathering.
 
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In TV terms Ft. Worth pulls in the entire DFW Metroplex so TCU is the one that would add value on the scale of the Bay Area.
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TCU may have big appeal in Fort Worth, and Fort Worth is a big city, but the media market is all of DFW. Texas, a&m and OU fans dwarf TCU fans in the DFW market. I am not sure TCU has any appeal east of Loop 820.

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Mike the Texan said:
TCU may have big appeal in Fort Worth, and Fort Worth is a big city, but the media market is all of DFW. Texas, a&m and OU fans dwarf TCU fans in the DFW market. I am not sure TCU has any appeal east of Loop 820.

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Agree Mike, but the TV marketing people just see the number of TV sets (i.e. the potential audience). Just like the NBA who will take a freshman who showed immaturity and lack of consistent play as a first-round draft choice - the potential.
 
yeah, I'm calling BS on Pac 12 being skeptical of the viewership of Tech and TCU.

The 3rd size school in Texas is in a league with 3 states whose combined population (Oregon Washington Utah) is half of Texas.
 
From a pragmatic/realpolitik standpoint, the NCAA is neutered (even more so than before) when it comes to any sort of violation by aOSU, Michigan, USC, or any top-half SEC team. The SEC could reject the sanctions and declare “we are no longer part of the NCAA.” The Buckeyes, Wolverines, or Trojans could reject any sanctions and move to the SEC. Same thing goes for Clemson and FSU (and obviously Notre Dame).

The really big fish have gone from being practically above the law (of the NCAA), to actually being above the law (of the NCAA).
 
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The 3rd size school in Texas is in a league with 3 states whose combined population (Oregon Washington Utah) is half of Texas.
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^^^Yes. The DFW metroplex has about 7.7 million people. More than any single state that is in the PAC 12 other than California. TCU vs UCLA may not win the viewing popularity contest when going up against a Texas vs LSU game on another Channel but if Texas or atm isn't on another channel then the TCU game will get most of the football metroplex interest. Simply because it's a local interest team and folks will want them to do well in the PAC 12.

West Texas has about 5-6 million folks and their football loyalty clearly leans heavily to TTU. Plus, a lot of Metroplex folks watch TTU when their favorite team isn't opposite them on another channel. We can thank Leach for building interest in TTU, and that is still evident here though Leach is long gone.
 
Hmmmmm. One possibility—a sort of AFC / NFC develops in college football. SEC / B1G+PAC+ACC.

That analogy seems to work as the players are basically professional now.
 
Chop said:
Hmmmmm. One possibility—a sort of AFC / NFC develops in college football. SEC / B1G+PAC+ACC.

That analogy seems to work as the players are basically professional now.
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That is what it is coming down to. However, every conference needs to get rid of the deadwood (like everyone in Big XII other than Texas, ou, Tceh, oSu, and TCU; and the entire East $EC other than Florida and Georgia). The top 64 teams need to be in the Upper-division with the bottom every how many in the lower division. The East v. West Division winners play for the Championship of that division. Also, require no more than 1 game a season from the other division; the remaining 11 games have to be from the same division.
 
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That's a pretty broad claim. How does the article lay out this "alliance"?

Seems like collectivism, the group wanting to save the system we currently have vs the group wanting to blow it up and take all the money. Would this alliance refuse to schedule games against the SEC? Would they walk away from the championship and creat their own?

If that is the plan they better damn well make sure the rest of their heavyweights are on board, OSU, Clemson etc.

I do like the fact of other conferences pushing back on the SEC power grab.
 
If the Pac12 was smart, they would go to 16 teams with two 8 team divisions.
West division would be the old Pac8
USC
UCLA
Stanford
Cal
Oregon
Oregon St
Washington
Washington St

East Division
Ariz
Ariz St
Utah
BYU
Colorado
Okla St
TTech
TCU

Seven division games, three cross division games and two OOC games.

Plenty of NIL money available for quite a few of those schools and would probably get some serious tv money.

They would control the western half of the US with schools in Texas and Oklahoma.



If they were smart.
 
The B1G holds some really good cards in its deck. I think they may currently even make more $ per team than the SEC. They dominate plenty of large population states. And the Midwest seems to be the only region of the country that approaches the Southern level of college football fanaticism. Different football fandom culture though. Not friendly at all—frankly rather mean and sometimes even violent. (Yes, I know Arkansas is in the South…)
 
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