OWS v. Tea Party

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America Occupy Wall Street has been celebrated by many in the media and the Democratic party as a legitimate counter to the tea party. All of the accusations that were wrongfully hurled at the tea party—from bigotry to violent tendencies—now seem to be occurring regularly at OWS protests. Yet they are ignored in deference to the supposed morally superiority of this new movement. Van Jones, formerly an environmental advisor to President Barack Obama, says we should ignore OWS defects because "they've got moral clarity." Even Mr. Obama has said that "the protesters are giving voice to a more broad-based frustration about how our financial system works."

Who knows, maybe cognitive dissonance is a good political strategy for the left. Can the king of crony capitalism win reelection having codified "too big to fail" into law? Can Congressional Democrats, having spent the past two years attaching Republicans to so-called "tea party extremism," now embrace without consequence the radical demands, blatant anti-Semitism, violence and property damage of OWS?

Progressives' burning desire to create a tea party of the left may be clouding their judgment. Even Mr. Jones has grudgingly conceded that tea partiers have out-crowd-sourced, out-organized, and out-performed the most sophisticated community organizers on the left. "Here's the irony," he said back in July. "They talk rugged individualist, but they act collectively." He and his colleagues don't seem to understand that communities can't exist without respect for individual freedom. They can't imagine how it is that millions of people located in disparate places with unique knowledge of their communities and circumstances can voluntarily cooperate and coordinate, creating something far greater and more valuable than any one individual could have done alone.

In the world of the contemporary Western left, someone needs to be in charge—a benevolent bureaucrat who knows better than you do. They can't help but build hierarchical structures—a General Assembly perhaps—because they don't understand how freedom works.
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OWS = Nasty thugs that want everything given to them. They have no message and have no answer. They just like being thugs and they don't like their country (pretty obvious by them shitting all over it and committing crimes.. They would fit in at Greece perfectly.

Tea Party = Average Americans that are hard working. But want Government to STOP the spending. They are all about what's best for America and love their country and they are law abiding citizens.

Only the far left or retards don't know the difference.
 
There really is no comparison between the groups. The Tea Partiers are basically regular people in peaceful protest. Agree with them or not, they're not violent and not for all-out revolution. Do they have corporate backers? Certainly, but the actual people on the ground are regular people with regular jobs, etc. They really are your next door neighbor.

The OWS are wannabe revolutionaries, who would fundamentally transform the country and the economy if they could put down their weed, take a bath, and get organized. I'm not saying they don't have a point about corporate bailouts and corporate welfare. They certainly do. In that regard, they have some similar complaints to the Tea Party.

The vast difference is in their answer to the problem. The Tea Partiers would downsize the government, and though they wouldn't dole out corporate welfare and bailouts, they wouldn't intentionally destroy the financial sector and large business interests either. From what I can tell, the OWS would lead a Marxist-style revolution and destroy the large business interests and redistribute their assets to those deemed "worthy."

People like this are precisely the reason I don't become a Democrat. As rotten and ask crooked as the GOP has become over the years, how can any self-respecting American associate with these wingnuts?
 
It has been very interesting to see the same people who tried to define the Tea Party by a few fringe elements now climbing over themselves to say that we shouldn't judge OWS by the rampant crime, arrests, sanitation issues and general idiocy that has come out of its participants.
 
Are we still waiting on the video or audio proof that the Tea Partiers spat on the CBC and Pelosi during their famous walk to the capital building right before the healthcare vote?

Lotta coin waiting out there for the first person to produce it.
 
I doubt you will find many tea party folks that like W. I would argue that it was the fiscal irresponsibility of W that led to the rise of the tea party.
 
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Well, I suppose thats where we disagree. Power is a corrupting influence, and the longer one holds power the more corrupting it becomes. Most career politicians are willing to do anything, say anything to get reelected and maintain their power base. Yes, some folks are gifted with strong personal integrity but that does not make power any less of a corrupting influence. It just means that they are stronger to resist than most.
It is this insatiable desire to maintain the power base that gives corporations, unions, lobbyist the ability to control our political structure with their capital resources. It takes money to win elections and maintain the political machine. If you want to minimize
the political power of corporations and special interests then the first step is to eliminate the career politician.
 
Mr. Deez:

I agree with you there are exceptions to the Bell curve. The problem is the majority of the career politco's are sucked into the vaccum by the power, greed and money. For every righteous one you name, I can probably name five not so righteous.

I am all for term limits!!!!!!!!
 
government positions should be for public service. they should be paid enough to pay for their expenses for a middle class lifestyle and no pension. if they want to keep that job forever and collect social security, so be it.
 
I was talking to several OWS protesters in Austin on Tuesday night who are also tea-partiers. One man with whom I spoke was a wounded Iraqi war-veteran.

You will start to see more and more dissatisfaction with "capitalism/the free market" among tea-partiers as the plutonomy continues to divide more and more of the spoils among fewer and fewer of the people.


The death of crony capitalism will not be pretty, but it will be necessary.
 
It's just as I hoped-the Occupy Wall Street has become a major force to counter the Tea Partiers, although some of the ideas do overlap. If the OWS can focus their legitimate concerns into some real reachable goals, I think they can be a force in future elections. Sure, there are some radical types with untenable ideas, but the Tea Party is loaded with those types, too.
 
It is pure insanity to favorably compare these clowns to the tea party. You can hope all you want and claim their legitimacy until you're blue in the face, but these people are a national embarrassment.
 
OWS and its gov't and union supporters are probably handing out lots of voter registration cards and OWS helps build momentum for dems in the 2012 elections
 

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