Overpopulation

kgp

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The conventional wisdom is that the earth is overpopulated. We also seem to agree that children and infants (moreso even than other people) deserve special protection by the law. We seem to have the paradoxical situation of holding that all human life is inherently valuable and that we would be better off with less of it (i.e. it has negative incremental value).

Similarly, human exploitation of the earth (which even the greenest of us does, merely to varying degrees) is blamed (typically rightly so) for all manner of environmental ills, implying earth would be better off without us. The reasoning given for averting many of the more serious consequences of environmental exploitation tends to be based on adverse affects on the earth's ability to support human civilization (e.g., sea-level rise is bad because it floods out coastal cities).

Is human life inherently valuable (if no, this may call for a second look at some of our thinking on homicide, the death penalty, euthanasia, etc)?

Are new lives an exception, or are they also valuable?

Is it objectively bad to make our planet less hospitable to H. sapiens?

What is the optimal total human population and why?
 
valid point puddle. however, people worrying about overpopulation all live in big cities. i think most folks that live in the country or in small towns don't worry about such things as those that live in large cities. there is still plenty of land just about everywhere. if we can somehow find a way to recycle all of our waste (including carbon emissions) in the next 100 years (and i believe we will) then we could support twice the amount of people we currently have.
 
Is human life inherently valuable? Yes. And I am opposed to homocide, abortion, the death penalty, and euthanasia.

Are new lives an exception? No.

Is it objectively bad to make our planet less hospitable to H. Sapiens? Do you mean on purpose, or as a by product of the way we tend to treat the environment? I would say yes is it 'bad' to make our planet less hospitable on purpose to try to limit the world's population. I also believe we should do all we can to limit our impact on the environment.

What is the optimal human population? Why? This is a qustion I have no idea how to even begin to answer.
 
Any human activity should be sustainable. Just because many people want a sustainable population on planet earth, does not rule out also wanting high quality of life with good moral values during that life.
Most do not advocate increasing the murder, abortion, and disease rates to reduce human population. Wouldn't sensible family planning be preferrable?
I don't think the way we are living now is sustainable, although massive changes in nearly every aspect of how we create energy, food and manufactured goods could allow for more people to live in a sustainable manner, I don't see that forthcoming anytime soon, ergo the population is too large.
 
With the predicted effects of "Climate Change", won't we have vast new areas of lush, fertile and habitable places to put and feed all these people?
 
I would, except that by the time I finished one of them, they'd prbably revise it yet again, because something didn't or isn't happening the way they originally predicted.
 
We can always fit more people. It's just a matter of how poor we care to be. Bangladesh is the size of Iowa and has a population of 140,000,000. Two-thirds of them are farmers.

Can you even imagine over 93 million farmers working 55,000 square miles of land? Even if every single acre of land was farmed, that's 1,700 farmers per square mile or 2.7 farmers per acre.

Bernard
 
Texas is almost 172M acres. US population is just over 300M. The entire US could live comfortably in Texas and get almost a half acre each.
 
I've read where you can fit the entire world population on Rhode Island.

that being said, small towns are getting reached and are changing from overpopulation. Look at Hutto.
 
Human beings are inherently valuable… well certain human beings are. We need a governing body to enhance the evolutionary process and selectively breed and care for those with desirable/valuable traits and exterminate the undesirables… worked out well in Europe before as I recall.

Additionally, overpopulation threatens both the resources of the earth and the quality of life we currently enjoy in our society. I propose that we need a governing body to enforce limits on the number of children born to each family. This will ensure that population growth has a minimal negative effect on the environment. Use China as an model.
 
So, with you guys' logic, 45 million people could live in the Austin area, which has more room than Tokoyo or Mexico City. Would you still want to live in Austin? Would there be any quality of life? Would there be a marker where Barton Springs used to be? Would there be a picture of a tree somewhere?
 
Our current numbers depend upon the assumption that energy will continue to spray out of the ground, under pressure, for the rest of time.
 
For all of you that think being crowded somehow adds to the quality of life, I wish you happiness. May your life be spent forever at a stand-still on LBJ.

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The comanches used to leave their elderly behind when they moved their rancheros. Taking care of the old becomes a luxery a society can't afford when resources become too limited.

If you want to get old, you better be in favor of population limitation.

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