Oops! The Science isn't Settled
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Ag with kids
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Ah...so, a paper makes it through the peer-review process but is counter to the "prevailing" view and someone loses his job...
Cool...
Why didn't they just do like PNAS did and change the rules to stop it's publication...
Cool...
Why didn't they just do like PNAS did and change the rules to stop it's publication...
majorwhiteapples
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I look in the mirror and smile as I am not duped by Al Gore his greatest invention of all, the internet!!!!
For the same reason we separate religion and politics- we should be able to separate science and politics. The above two posters will never acknowledge what people far more knowledgeable than any poster here are in wide scale agreement- why? Because the repercussions involve repairs, regulations and changes that don't jive with their politics nor some of the companies who profit the most from the emissions of pollutants.
Third grade insults and cynicism is a much easier lifestyle than learning to evolve forward to cleaner technologies and accounting for the true costs of 19th century based technologies.
Third grade insults and cynicism is a much easier lifestyle than learning to evolve forward to cleaner technologies and accounting for the true costs of 19th century based technologies.
Ag with kids
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Disclaimer: I am no scientist, of any kind.
That said, I do believe that the earth is going through a warming phase, or at least, I dont deny it. However, I dont believe that humans are the sole cause of it, and I doubt that we are the main cause of it. I do think that we should utilize our technologies to develop better ways of reducing pollution that may contribute to global warming.
Its funny to me when I hear Alex Jones say that the earth is rock flying through outer space orbiting a sun that is orbiting the center of the galaxy and that there really isnt much we can do about that. But it is true. There are super massive forces out there that effect our climate that we cant do a damn thing about. The sun really is a giant fireball that emits solar flares and waves that impact our atmosphere and affect our weather and climate. Yes, its true.
However, I do agree, as does he, that we should do things to improve our quality control standards. That said, it is a salient point that countries like China or India may not have the same standards that we do, and that the air streams in our atmosphere carry their crap over here into our skies.
There has to be an international agreement on what we can do. If just the US does something and the other side of the earth doesnt, it isnt gonna help us.
That said, taxing people because they breath or drive cars I think is stupid.
That said, I do believe that the earth is going through a warming phase, or at least, I dont deny it. However, I dont believe that humans are the sole cause of it, and I doubt that we are the main cause of it. I do think that we should utilize our technologies to develop better ways of reducing pollution that may contribute to global warming.
Its funny to me when I hear Alex Jones say that the earth is rock flying through outer space orbiting a sun that is orbiting the center of the galaxy and that there really isnt much we can do about that. But it is true. There are super massive forces out there that effect our climate that we cant do a damn thing about. The sun really is a giant fireball that emits solar flares and waves that impact our atmosphere and affect our weather and climate. Yes, its true.
However, I do agree, as does he, that we should do things to improve our quality control standards. That said, it is a salient point that countries like China or India may not have the same standards that we do, and that the air streams in our atmosphere carry their crap over here into our skies.
There has to be an international agreement on what we can do. If just the US does something and the other side of the earth doesnt, it isnt gonna help us.
That said, taxing people because they breath or drive cars I think is stupid.
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With all respect, I don't care what you, or General, 6721, Bettik etc. think about the cause of warming. Because, as far as I know- none of you are climate scientists at reputable institutions performing peer reviewed research. The fact that so many unique, independent institutions with no relation to each other have formed the same conclusion is enough evidence for most informed people. And in fact- this is the ONLY branch of science that is scrutinized by so many unqualified people- because it irks their politics and is flamed by idiots on the radio, fox and blogs. Which one of you skeptics has ever questioned your cardiologist, or a biologist? Of course you haven't- you're not qualified, and you haven't read any propaganda telling you to.
Inaction is usually more expensive than action. As is the challenge of convincing people to think longer term vs. short term (e.g. X costs more today but is paid over many times over the longer run.)
The problem we have is not the solutions, but educating people appropriately minus the hysterical propaganda from skeptics that this is a scheme involving thousands of people around the world in on a giant scam.
With all respect, I don't care what you, or General, 6721, Bettik etc. think about the cause of warming. Because, as far as I know- none of you are climate scientists at reputable institutions performing peer reviewed research. The fact that so many unique, independent institutions with no relation to each other have formed the same conclusion is enough evidence for most informed people. And in fact- this is the ONLY branch of science that is scrutinized by so many unqualified people- because it irks their politics and is flamed by idiots on the radio, fox and blogs. Which one of you skeptics has ever questioned your cardiologist, or a biologist? Of course you haven't- you're not qualified, and you haven't read any propaganda telling you to.
Inaction is usually more expensive than action. As is the challenge of convincing people to think longer term vs. short term (e.g. X costs more today but is paid over many times over the longer run.)
The problem we have is not the solutions, but educating people appropriately minus the hysterical propaganda from skeptics that this is a scheme involving thousands of people around the world in on a giant scam.
Ag with kids
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Spencer who?
Ag- if 99 doctors told you you're going to have a heart attack, and 1 says he doesn't think it's likely. Do you fire up the grill and party?
It's very easy to find the list of institutions and scientists who disagree with spencer. But alas- I am not here to google for you
Ag- if 99 doctors told you you're going to have a heart attack, and 1 says he doesn't think it's likely. Do you fire up the grill and party?
It's very easy to find the list of institutions and scientists who disagree with spencer. But alas- I am not here to google for you
Ag with kids
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Ag with kids
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Ag with kids
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Why did I know that would be from Dessler?
Luckily, he has no political views on climate change...well, except for working on it during the Clinton administration...
Oh yeah...I forgot...only skeptics are biased.
It's funny, too, how Dessler misstates what the SB11 paper states. SB11 does not say that clouds cause climate change. It says that the feedback system is an unsolved problem, and that clouds are part of the system that make it difficult to know...
Luckily, he has no political views on climate change...well, except for working on it during the Clinton administration...
Oh yeah...I forgot...only skeptics are biased.
It's funny, too, how Dessler misstates what the SB11 paper states. SB11 does not say that clouds cause climate change. It says that the feedback system is an unsolved problem, and that clouds are part of the system that make it difficult to know...
Ag with kids
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Ag with kids
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The Earth's Northern Hemisphere is also experiencing a cooling phase, which is expected to continue until February, when a warming phase is anticipated to begin. The same alternating cooling/warming phases are expected to continue occurring annually for the forseeable future.
I am not arrogant enough to believe that the inhabitants of this planet have anything to do with it.
I am not arrogant enough to believe that the inhabitants of this planet have anything to do with it.
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