OKIE State and Crickets!!

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IndyHorn

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This is an absolute must win, and not one topic on this board- signing day for you orange blooded folks. Demarcus Holland and turnovers are all you are missing. It's way way ugly. And it's time for change in this lifeless program
 
Watching the Texas offense is giving me a serious headache.

Will the Horns score 50?? I don't think so.
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This team is hard to keep excited for. High expectations are a curse, I suppose. Maybe we'll catch fire in the second half. It could happen.
 
Holland's three pointer going into half might be a spark. Trailing by 11 is clearly not optimal, but it feels like it could be worse. Holland has to shoot the three ball, even if he clanks just get a shot up and prevent another turnover.
 
It would also help if we could get a big man, in addition to Lammert and Miles, to score. Ridley and Ibeh, that would be you.
 
Four losses in a row. The sad part is this team is capable of winning out but it's also capable of losing out. The offense is pretty pathetic right now.
 
What does Rick Barnes bring to this program? All his nonsense on the LHN post game just shines the light on his shortcoming as a coach.
 
Reasons for my conflict on Barnes:
Barnes has only missed the NCAA tournament one time in 16 seasons (this is season 17).
Billy Donovan on the other hand has missed the tournament 4 times in 18 seasons and is having a season more horrendous than ours now. Donovan went three consecutive seasons without an NCAA tournament win (2007-2010). Of course the counterpoint is that while Donovan's lows are certainly lower than Barnes's lows, Donovan's highs are much higher as he has two national titles and 3 final fours.

Anyway, to illustrate my point on Barnes's talent producing abilities:
Rick Barnes has produced 17 NBA players at UT in 16 seasons. The NBA was founded in 1946. In the 51 seasons prior to Rick Barnes, UT produced 12 NBA players. Of those 12, only 3 players (LaSalle Thompson, Johnny Moore, and Slater Martin) played 4 or more seasons. Rick Barnes has so far had 9 players (Aldridge, Augustin, Durant, Ford, Evans, Gibson, Ivey, Mihm, Tucker) play 4 or more seasons!

I am not sure we will see another coach bring in talent like Barnes. However, as I said above, if he can no longer coach, he can no longer coach. Patterson has a tough choice. It may depend on Patteron's replacement options. Anyway, hopefully this discussion is premature and the season is miraculously saved.
 
Other stats: Our school has 31 NCAA tournament appearances. Rick Barnes has 15 of them. Rick Barnes took us to our first final four since 1947. Barnes accounts for 3 of our 7 Elite Eight appearances (and the NCAA tournament was only 8 teams for the 3 before 1950). Barnes accounts for 5 of our 10 sweet sixteen appearances. Barnes is our all time winningest coach by a lot.

Anyway, like I said, we cannot afford to have a season like this or worse than this next year whether it is with Barnes or someone else. Tough decision on Patterson's part.
 
H-Town, I can summarize your post in a few words...Rick Barnes (insert nice stat), BUT...

He has zero ability to develop talent. He's Mack Brown without the ring. Great guy, great ambassador for UT, a man you can trust your kids with, but that and $4 gets you a cup of coffee.

Texas needs a fresh start. 17 years is a good run but now it's time for someone who can add a spark to this program.
 
The NCAA tourney expanded the number of teams it takes to 64 a few years ago, and that helps more teams get in. It might have helped us get in a time or two.

I do think Barnes is the best coach UT has ever had. Tom Penders was great for a few years, but then we needed to take the next step. Barnes was that.

Rick has taken the program to respectability. I think that Texas could become a great basketball school now. Rick has set the table, people know now that great basketball is played in this state and terrific players are here and Texas will get its share. (Look what Baylor has done recently. And what Houston did years ago.) Other "football" schools have done this. Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Mich. St., UCLA, etc.

And I believe there are some great young coaches out there who would love to come to Texas, with its great resources, and take this program to the next level.

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Comparing Texas basketball over the years is apples and oranges. Florida used to be bottom of the cellar football, but with good coaching they became a powerhouse. The standards of making the tourney have been relaxed many fold, and the number of games played has increased. Comparing to eras without TV, money, and where few cared about anything but football is absurd. And when I went to check the record there have been good coaches in Texas past that had better winning percentages than Barnes. People would come out in droves if a fun quality team was produced that won.

What is it about Kansas that makes them so superior. It is ridiculous to just concede we will always be worse than Kansas. It is more ridiculous to be below Baylor, TCU, and other much lower budget programs. It is and has always been OBVIOUS that Barnes is a very weak offensive coach. But evidently he is such a control freak, he can't even hire assistants that have impact in that area.

We play about 35 basketball games a year now vs 25 in the 60's. So winning 20 games does not mean anywhere near the same thing. I get sick of these inflated stats.

Barnes had a good run but he has been here for 15 years. Coaching should not be a lifetime contract, but heavily dependent on what have you done for me lately (at least the last 5 years for Pete's sake).

Here is history of teams qualifying for NCAA tourney:
1939–1950: 8 teams
1951–1952: 16 teams
1953–1974: varied between 22 and 25 teams
1975–1978: 32 teams
1979: 40 teams
1980–1982: 48 teams
1983: 52 teams (four play-in games before the tournament)
1984: 53 teams (five play-in games before the tournament)
1985–2000: 64 teams
2001–2010: 65 teams (one play-in game to determine whether the 64th or 65th team plays in the first round)
2011–present: 68 teams (four play-in games in the first round before all remaining teams compete in the second round

In other words lately if you are top 50 you qualify. Making the tourney and losing in 1st round means very little. In football now .500 teams get bowls. In the same way it is stupid to compare current coaches making "bowls" with past coaches when there were only a handful of bowls. I'm tired of mediocrity being spun to be something better. I'm also tired of the refrain "we are not a basketball school". In the course of decades many schools excel in sports they haven't in the past. That is especially true of schools with resources like Texas. Now players will get found and drafted anywhere they play and especially in any conference that has TV deals. Coaching and recruiting is all that separates performances. How has Baylor outperformed us in football? COACHING.

I don't really care about how many players Texas places in the NBA. I want performance in college. I want the chance to win a conference championship, which means you must set the bar to beat Kansas. If you can't in good conscious get a coach that you think will develop a team to beat Kansas don't bother. And don't keep a coach that obviously can't get close anymore.

Sorry, just tired of watching year after year of the same Barnes weaknesses that never get fixed. Primarily:
1)he recruits too many of the same player: athletic but little offensive touch (can't shoot). That is because he emphasizes defense, but can't seem to realize the defense is weakened when you don't make baskets and turn over balls offensively.
2)He seems to browbeat players--they don't have fun, the fans don't have fun, and the players get psychologically tight. If they could shoot before they lose that ability under Barnes.
3)His offenses have little flow and little proper ball movement and don't manufacture many easy shots---although this is partially because his teams tend to lack good 3 point shooters which will cause the floor to be spread. I really don't understand why he can't recruit 3 point shooters that can get off their own shot and quickly...the 3 pointer in college is just not that difficult.

Well that was meandering rant, and probably badly constructed but I had to gush it out somewhere after another poor season developing (although I certainly haven't been surprised, as I have learned to have no expectations with this coach anymore).
 
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Wishbonemac
(250+ posts)
02/10/15 09:13 PM
Re: OKIE State and Crickets!!

It's not the age or shape of the arena that's the issue.

The older, wealthier, tenured, most deserving fans get the seats that are normally given to rabid students. That's the "problem" and that will never change here.

I predict the divide will be greater at the new "Dodds Court at Powers Sarcophagus Colosseum."

All Hail!


Wishbonemac
(250+ posts)
02/10/15 09:13 PM
Re: OKIE State and Crickets!!

It's not the age or shape of the arena that's the issue.

The older, wealthier, tenured, most deserving fans get the seats that are normally given to rabid students. That's the "problem" and that will never change here.

I predict the divide will be greater at the new "Dodds Court at Powers Sarcophagus Colosseum."

All Hail!
 
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