Obama's Offensiveness

THEU

THEU

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Just when Obama can't get any more offensive, he says this.

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Wow. Honestly, if Obama is a Christian it is shameful. His ignorance and arrogance with regards to what he believes is 'uphauling.' If I were his pastor, I would be on the phone calling him and educating him as to just how clueless he is.
 
I'm missing it. I guess I need the specific quote. Passover is a jewish celebration of freedom from slavery and the acceptance of god and the 10 commandments as the way to obtain freedom.

If the fights in the ME are to obtain freedom, which in some cases is questionable, at least part of the message of Passover is being met. A few differences are that Jews were oppressed by outsiders while many in the ME are oppressed by their own people. Another difference is the lack of biblical context with regard to the ME uprising. A final difference is that some in the ME who are struggling for freedom have a history of oppressing jews. Anyway, unless I missed a specific quote, I am not offended by the mention of the ME struggles during seder.
 
I didn't say that any one in particular should be offended. I am offended as a Christian, which Obama claims to be as well. The Passover is about 2 events in history.

1) the Passover for Jews is about the calling out of the Israelites from slavery in Egypt to worship their God, the LORD, the one true God. This was done when the angel of death killed the first born of all those in Egypt who did not have the blood of the paschal lamb upon their doors.

2) The Passover in Egypt is the precursor and foreshadowing of the coming of Christ. John said of Jesus, 'behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.' The passover is ultimately about freedom to worship the one true God. Not just in freedom from slavery in Egypt, but in freedom from the slavery of sin.

Obama takes a story about the Messiah, and compares it to political struggle in Arab countries. Obama takes the story of the Saviour of the world, God's only Son, and says it is essentially the same as Muslims in Arab countries fighting for political power.

Maybe some on here aren't offended. If you are not a professing Christian I can see where you are not offended. If you are a Christian, I would hope that you are offended at any Christian comparing Jesus' blood atonement to ANY political struggle in any country.
 
saahorn,
truth be told I would ask you to consider my posting record here on WM. I am not an easily offended Christian in the least. Spring spheres, gave me a chuckle, and I don't buy into that war on Christmas stuff. My record, I believe shows that.
I am not even offended by a President saying that. I am offended by a professing Christian speaking thusly about Jesus Christ.
 
U, there are probably more Jews offended by your Christianizing their Passover than Christians offended by what the Pres said. Reread your link without totally concentrating on your hatred of Obama and note the writer's statements about (conservative) Christians making Passover a second Christmas.

Maybe you and your particular sect think Passover has something to do with the coming of Jesus, but few Jews do.
 
If Passover was about Jesus, wouldn't it be a Christian holiday? It's a Jewish holiday. Christians typically don't celebrate it.

Which begs the question, why would a Christian be particularly offended? THEU, if you're really concerned about Obama offending people, shouldn't you be rallying any Jews on this board and saying this is slander against Judaism?

An even better question, THEU, do you celebrate Passover? Are you planning on eating any leavened bread this week? Did you have at least four glasses of wine this evening? If so, that last part might explain this whole thread...
 
Bluepies,

Yes, in fact I am. At my church. We have someone come in who comes in and goes through the liturgy of the passover with our congregation step by step. He is Jewish. He teaches us how each and every part points towards Christ. He can't understand how fellow Jews can't see Jesus all in the passover.

Let me reiterate, my offense comes not because someone said these things. My offense comes at the fact that a Christian has said these things.
Jews and Christians worship the same God. Muslims do not. It really is that stunningly simple. The LORD is a jealous God.
 
Passover is still a part of Christian history, seeing that the lineage is one and the same, until Christ's death. That's where Judaism and Christianity splits. Passover is significant to Christians, although not nearly as celebrated as Easter and Christmas.

Christianity claims Jesus was the messiah foreshadowed by the events of the OT like the Passover and prophecies. Judaism believes Jesus was a prophet/rabbi but not the actual Messiah or Christ.

THEU is simply upset that Obama compares the Passover event to middle eastern political struggles and conflicts, where it is nothing of the sort.
 
i guess i am a different kind of Christian.

We are not all cut from the same cloth, and that is a good thing.
 
Yo,
Honestly, I have no idea what that means. What 'kinds' of Christians are there? By that, I am not asking to lay out a totality of doctrines or systematic theological belief. I only mean to ask in terms that relate to this thread.

Do you have a different take on the Passover? If so, what is it?
How do you interpret John's proclamation about Jesus, "behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world?' Or passages in Hebrews which explains how Jesus becomes the blood sacrifice by which sins are forgiven?
 
I don't think it was particularly offensive, I think it was a politician trying to put a spin on something that has little or nothing to do with what he wants to say. The message of the Passover was very simply that God would deliver His people from bondage. They were in bondage because God wanted them there for His own purposes until it was time for them to be delivered. So if anything, the application would be that if you're in bondage, be patient and if God wants you to be freed he'll send 10 plagues and get you out of there. Somehow, I don't think that message is that applicable.

There was certainly a type-antetype of Christ that was designed for the learning and instruction of all who want to better understand Jesus' sacrifice, but that hardly makes it a "Christian" holiday. It certainly wasn't a call for armed rebellion against oppression.
 
On the surface it looks like it is Jewish people who might be the most offended and I can understsand why. This is a most sacred day so to tie it to something taking place in a area where muslims daily express hatred and wishing for death to Jews( if not causing actual death) seems if not offensive then clueless.

Now if Obama mentions the good works of Jews as he wishes muslims a good Ramadan ( or whatever the next muslim day is) then I will take back the clueless part
 
Roger,
As a Jew, I understand where you are coming from, and I agree that Jews have great reason to be offended. I believe we can agree that Jews and Christians understand Passover differently.

Also, it seems some here are conflating the Exodus with the Passover. The Exodus is about the Israelites being led out of slavery, the Passover is about the blood of a lamb being placed on the door posts and the 'pass over' of the angel of death sparing the first born.

My offense to Obama comes because he claims to be a Christian. This is his own professed faith. (I am NOT questioning IF he is a Christian, just questioning his understanding AS a Christian). As I have said before, I am not easily offended by non Christians making statements that are non Christian.
I am offended by Obama's comments with regards to passover the current events. Whoever said it was just a politician trying to make passover apply to something it really doesn't apply to, I agree with that sentiment. THAT is the very thing I take offense to.

Also, Jews/Christians do not worship the same God Muslims do.
 
I am offended by people celebrating a bronze age god killing a bunch of innocent children because he is pizzed at their king. What kind of low life does something like that?

It is wrong on so many levels. Their parents did not pick the king or pharaoh or whatever this ******** potentate called himself. The kids had no participation in whatever efforts offended the god who whacked all the kids.

So why celebrate? Why not apologize for having such a bloodthirsty god?

As for Obama, he is no different from other american presidents, who are always trying to draw lessons from whatever insane event transpires. Some pack of loonies blows up a building full of paperpushers and the president is all aflutter over our phoenix-like resurgence and rebirth. Blah, blah, blah.

If you want to get offended, think about the government and the deficit; the iceberg is dead ahead and the captain and crew intentionally steer right into it. And then blame each other for what they all did.
 
I don't know any "nature worshipers," but I've never heard the phrases "nature is love," "nature loves everybody," or "it's all in nature's plan."

If you believe God is active in the lives of humans, you must admit there are some pretty puzzling things going on. Nature worship at least doesn't stick you with a lot of contradictions nor a baffling text of second-hand revelations to figure out and reconcile with reality.

I may have just talked myself into being a nature worshiper.


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