Obama's Catastrophic Defeat in Ukraine

Counterpunch is on the outer fringes of the nuttty left and nothing it reports should be taken without a block of salt. If you doubt me, read any of the articles listed on the left hand side of the column posted. Or read a half dozen. I have been a regular reader for a decade and love the conspiracy mongering, But it is looney as a bugs bunny cartoon
 
Agreed, truth is somewhere in the middle....so I still ask, who do you believe? Seem that the correct answer is no one.
 
reports from Russians that the Russian govt asking their conscripts to change their status to contractors so they can fight in the Ukraine. Hmm, maybe Pooty Poot is backing the 'rebels' more than many would like to admit?
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All I want us to do is finish and permit all the pending the CNG facilities so we can ship natural gas to the EU and Ukraine. This will stick a fork in Russia economically.

I think this stuff about some Western conspiracy is off the deep end. Russia is doing exactly what it did in Georgia, trying to seize what little it can of a dying empire and we have little or nothing to do with Ukrainian independence.

Every Ukrainian I know (and I know about 7 or 8) hates Russia with a passion and completely blames Putin for what is occurring. They do wonder why we do not help more, but they do not blame us at all. They laugh at the lies propagated by Russian media. They think our news is inept, but does not really lie just that they miss much of the story.

There is no US or Nazis behind the Ukrainians and their desire to be free from Russia. They want a better tomorrow and they need look no further than Poland to see one (Poland's per capita gdp is way up with the EU while Ukraine's is down). Russia is a dead end for Ukraine and all of the youth know this. EU is their salvation with or without NATO.

I do not think that this is much trickier than the economy.

And the saddest part is that Russia is intentionally trying to wreck Ukraine's economy right now.
 
No.

You misread what I wrote.

Russia is not to be confused with Ukrainians of Russian decent. And I should just put Putin primarily. Three of the "Ukrainians" I know are of Russian decent and speak primarily Russian. They all hate Putin and want Ukraine to be part of the EU. They view themselves as Ukrainians.

They think this conspiracy stuff and this ethnic cleansing nonsense is bizarre and the direct result of Russian propaganda. I believe them more than some of the deep end blog. It also makes sense.

They have all moved to west of the Dneiper river as a result of what is occurring.
 
And to claim that the Western media is the equivalent of the Russian media is ludicrous. This is just objectively false. The Western media cares about the truth. Russia does not.
 
It is all Putin's fault. It really is. He sent troops to both Crimea and the Donetsk Oblast (this is a relatively small part of Ukraine east of the Dnieper river (maybe 15% or so). The majority are not separatists by any stretch of the imagination. They are actual Russian troops. The actual sentiment among most Ukrainians, even in eastern Ukraine, is to remain with Ukraine.
 
I'd like to try an experiment. Thoughts on Switzerland has given me an idea. Let's take the December speech by Victoria Nuland -- to a joint US-Ukrainian conference, and substitute Switzerland for Ukraine and just see how it sounds.I've made up a name for the President, and chosen Zurich for the city (in place of Kiev) and Alpine in place of Maiden. To give it a Swiss sound!I believe if you read along with this it will give you some idea of the pomp and preposterousness of the US posture (there I'm a poet and a pundit!) in this whole affair. See how to your ear it sounds to PRESUME to assume how another country must be, and that you hold in your power the ability to assist it or even to make it your business.The Swiss have been independent for a long time and have a currency and banking system far superior to ours, so to imagine us lecturing them on how to live and how together we can figure out how they may live better... Then imagine how we have been relating to Ukraine. Are they such "little people" we need to treat them like children? Like people who just can't do for themselves?I rather suspect that cloaked in all of it are ambitions of a wolf in sheep's clothing...The link to the original: US State Dept (Official Website): Remarks by Victoria Nuland at the US-Ukraine Foundation Conference, Dec. 13, 2013In reply to:
 
Musburger, my parents' next door neighbors are from Ukraine. Not sure their position or take. I haven't talked to them about the events taking place there. It would be interesting though.
 
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