Obama gets it...turns up heat
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SomeMildLanguage
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That's pretty mild.
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Telling it like it is. Hey, if Hillary is going to run on her "experience" then of course this is a fair counter. The democrats would certainly do the same if they were running against Jeb Bush, for example.
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washparkhorn
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I was there at his speech.
He did sharpen his attack on Hillary and the politics of the "last century."
He spoke of McCain as the probable GOP candidate.
His foreign policy generalities were, for the lack of a better term, not inconsistent with neoconservative beliefs. He said he will go to the world and tell them "America is back" and we will fight against all sorts of evil in the world, including genocide and poverty.
He said he will begin withdrawing troops immediately from Iraq (really a throwaway line, because withdrawing does not mean leaving). He said he will end "this war" and bolster our efforts in Afghanistan in the fight against al Qaeda (someone said next to me "aren't we fighting al Qaeda in Iraq?" and was shushed by a stinky hippie who showed up). He made fun of Boulder's we-think-with-one-mind political atmosphere (the speech was in Denver) which was funny to me.
Caroline Kennedy opened the concert - err, I mean speech - with a modest nice speech. You can tell she is not accustomed to giving speeches.
Good speech. As I have said before, Obama is short on substance in his speeches (which is not unusual for a candidate). His aggressive foreign policy stance and nod to using American muscle was the most surprising aspect of the speech. A more muscular JFK foreign policy style will serve him well in the general election.
He basically painted Hillary as the tired old politics of yesterday and said we can't go back to the 90's - we need to look ahead to the future. That, to me, is a good theme for him.
He did sharpen his attack on Hillary and the politics of the "last century."
He spoke of McCain as the probable GOP candidate.
His foreign policy generalities were, for the lack of a better term, not inconsistent with neoconservative beliefs. He said he will go to the world and tell them "America is back" and we will fight against all sorts of evil in the world, including genocide and poverty.
He said he will begin withdrawing troops immediately from Iraq (really a throwaway line, because withdrawing does not mean leaving). He said he will end "this war" and bolster our efforts in Afghanistan in the fight against al Qaeda (someone said next to me "aren't we fighting al Qaeda in Iraq?" and was shushed by a stinky hippie who showed up). He made fun of Boulder's we-think-with-one-mind political atmosphere (the speech was in Denver) which was funny to me.
Caroline Kennedy opened the concert - err, I mean speech - with a modest nice speech. You can tell she is not accustomed to giving speeches.
Good speech. As I have said before, Obama is short on substance in his speeches (which is not unusual for a candidate). His aggressive foreign policy stance and nod to using American muscle was the most surprising aspect of the speech. A more muscular JFK foreign policy style will serve him well in the general election.
He basically painted Hillary as the tired old politics of yesterday and said we can't go back to the 90's - we need to look ahead to the future. That, to me, is a good theme for him.
triplehorn
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washparkhorn
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I did have a good time.
There were a lot of people. And a lot of people showed up early so they could get in. I am lucky enough to have friends in low places who could get me into the arena (there were people in the practice gym and on the lacrosse field listening to the speech). He is quite a phenom.
As I walked into the arena, it was packed. There was a open pocket near the front so I slid into it. I discovered the reason for the pocket - the stinky hippie who hadn't showered since the last Phish Concert at the Chief Hosa campground in May - of last year.
So thank you Mr. Stinky-Britches Hippie for clearing a space for me.
It was a good crowd (other than the hippie).
I look forward to the race between McCain and Obama. The cynic in me wants to belittle the swooning I see for Obama. The realist in me wants someone who will mend the anger in this country.
I think Obama's weakness is the "lightness" of his campaign. Perhaps it isn't time for real substance. He has it in him; I have seen it in the more candid moments when he goes off script. I think he needs to show more of it (but his candidacy is doing just fine without my advice). (For those of you who will direct me to his website - thanks, I've been there and read his blueprint already).
There were a lot of people. And a lot of people showed up early so they could get in. I am lucky enough to have friends in low places who could get me into the arena (there were people in the practice gym and on the lacrosse field listening to the speech). He is quite a phenom.
As I walked into the arena, it was packed. There was a open pocket near the front so I slid into it. I discovered the reason for the pocket - the stinky hippie who hadn't showered since the last Phish Concert at the Chief Hosa campground in May - of last year.
So thank you Mr. Stinky-Britches Hippie for clearing a space for me.
It was a good crowd (other than the hippie).
I look forward to the race between McCain and Obama. The cynic in me wants to belittle the swooning I see for Obama. The realist in me wants someone who will mend the anger in this country.
I think Obama's weakness is the "lightness" of his campaign. Perhaps it isn't time for real substance. He has it in him; I have seen it in the more candid moments when he goes off script. I think he needs to show more of it (but his candidacy is doing just fine without my advice). (For those of you who will direct me to his website - thanks, I've been there and read his blueprint already).
Victorious1
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Do you realize for the last 20 years this country has been run by a Bush or a Clinton? For Pete's sake lets elect someone else, anyone.
washparkhorn
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BattleshipTexas
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Fightin' Horn II
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I am of the opinion that this is an issue that should have been discussed long ago. She is unelectable. As karl rove said, the formula for beating her is easy -- just bump her negatives a few points and they're done.
Hilary has a tight ceiling and floor for her appeal. Obama gives us the best chance to win.
Hilary has a tight ceiling and floor for her appeal. Obama gives us the best chance to win.
triplehorn
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I was also at the Denver Obama rally this morning (and will be heading to the Bill Clinton one in a couple of hours).
All I can say is the atmosphere was electric. As was previously stated about 16K people showed up. That filled one medium arena, one small arena, and a lacrosse field. While I was annoyed that Obama was around an hour late in coming on I was impressed when I found out that was because he took the time to speak to those not lucky enough to be in the larger arena.
I thought they "props" he gave to Edward were extremely gracious and important.
Generally, I left wondering how this is even a race with Hillary. To each their own I guess.
I do agree with washpark that his stump speech is a little short on substance, but this had the feel of a "rock the caucus" event. Including volunteers handing out the names of 5 potential caucus gowers to call while we waited.
The guy truly is a phenom. I just hope he didn't run too soon.
All I can say is the atmosphere was electric. As was previously stated about 16K people showed up. That filled one medium arena, one small arena, and a lacrosse field. While I was annoyed that Obama was around an hour late in coming on I was impressed when I found out that was because he took the time to speak to those not lucky enough to be in the larger arena.
I thought they "props" he gave to Edward were extremely gracious and important.
Generally, I left wondering how this is even a race with Hillary. To each their own I guess.
I do agree with washpark that his stump speech is a little short on substance, but this had the feel of a "rock the caucus" event. Including volunteers handing out the names of 5 potential caucus gowers to call while we waited.
The guy truly is a phenom. I just hope he didn't run too soon.
washparkhorn
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washparkhorn
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I was heading down there but 760 was playing it on the radio, so I headed home instead.
Bill gives Hillary a lot of credit for a lot of things.
The snow certainly couldn't have helped the turnout. It was icy out.
Bill gives Hillary a lot of credit for a lot of things.
The snow certainly couldn't have helped the turnout. It was icy out.
Big12fanatic18
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Big12fanatic18
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And Bill Oreilly has a degree from Harvard's school of government.
They don't have to claim him as a Harvard man, so we don't want Hillary.
They don't have to claim him as a Harvard man, so we don't want Hillary.
chuychanga
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It's not really fair to bash Obama for giving speeches with no substance when all the other candidates on both sides are doing the same.
If you're looking for substance there are plenty of specific ideas and plans for each issue on his website. From Iraq, to education, to poverty, to health care...
I think he's doing a good job delivering a general message in his speeches and exciting the people enough to make them decide to find about a little bit more about who he is and how he plans to accomplish these goals:
"Bringing Our Troops Home
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
Press Iraq’s Leaders to Reconcile
The best way to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving. As we remove our troops, Obama will engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society – in and out of government – to seek a new accord on Iraq’s Constitution and governance. The United Nations will play a central role in this convention, which should not adjourn until a new national accord is reached addressing tough questions like federalism and oil revenue-sharing.
Regional Diplomacy
Obama will launch the most aggressive diplomatic effort in recent American history to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East. This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran and Syria. This compact will aim to secure Iraq’s borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq’s sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq’s reconstruction.
Humanitarian Initiative
Obama believes that America has a moral and security responsibility to confront Iraq’s humanitarian crisis — two million Iraqis are refugees; two million more are displaced inside their own country. Obama will form an international working group to address this crisis. He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven."
Plenty more on each issue where that came from. It's not really that hard to find.
If you're looking for substance there are plenty of specific ideas and plans for each issue on his website. From Iraq, to education, to poverty, to health care...
I think he's doing a good job delivering a general message in his speeches and exciting the people enough to make them decide to find about a little bit more about who he is and how he plans to accomplish these goals:
"Bringing Our Troops Home
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
Press Iraq’s Leaders to Reconcile
The best way to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving. As we remove our troops, Obama will engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society – in and out of government – to seek a new accord on Iraq’s Constitution and governance. The United Nations will play a central role in this convention, which should not adjourn until a new national accord is reached addressing tough questions like federalism and oil revenue-sharing.
Regional Diplomacy
Obama will launch the most aggressive diplomatic effort in recent American history to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East. This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran and Syria. This compact will aim to secure Iraq’s borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq’s sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq’s reconstruction.
Humanitarian Initiative
Obama believes that America has a moral and security responsibility to confront Iraq’s humanitarian crisis — two million Iraqis are refugees; two million more are displaced inside their own country. Obama will form an international working group to address this crisis. He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven."
Plenty more on each issue where that came from. It's not really that hard to find.
Seattle Husker
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Look no further than Ron Paul to see an example of too much substance in his stump speeches. It loses the masses.
Besides, the more detail a candidate has at this time in the campaign simply gives the opposition more ammunition to attack as well as time to prepare said attack. I'm waiting for the general election to get more substance from the candidates.
Besides, the more detail a candidate has at this time in the campaign simply gives the opposition more ammunition to attack as well as time to prepare said attack. I'm waiting for the general election to get more substance from the candidates.
Texas_Curl
100+ Posts
obama is an empty suit. he says change and 100 million people are thinking of 100 million different things to change. if doesn't start filling out his suit pretty soon, it won't take much for his opponent to fill it for him.
triplehorn
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