NY Times Publishes Darren Wilson's Address

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... down to the street he lives on (but not house number, cause that gives them plausible deniability if something happens). They also publish personal details about his new wife.

Given the number of death threats on Wilson's life, I have to say the New York Times is out to get that white boy.

The Left isn't against violence, they just like to see it directed to people they don't like.

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That's completely irresponsible although that information has been available for some time. Officer Wilson and his family have reportedly be living elsewhere since the initial incident.

Do 2 wrongs make a right by publishing the addresses of the authors?
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Yep. I'm guessing the Ferguson rioters spent the afternoon at the public library, waiting their turn to read the NY Times to inellectually prepare themselves for a night of burning and looting. Probably Homeland Security could track those subscribing to the NYT or reading it at the library to track down violent desperados. Hell, in my book that would be probable cause for search warrant and pre-emptive arrests.
 
George Zimmerman left the state of Florida after his trial. If I were Wilson, I think I'd go visit a distant relative 'till this thing blows over. That assumes that the Feds don't bring a federal case. With the Browns going on every talk show that will have them and Obama and Holder in their hip pockets, I'd say a federal case is very likely.
 
I don't see how a white cop could work in that area. They will be a target for every bullet and lawsuit that the black majority can instill upon them from now on. Let the inhabitants live in the hell that they themselves created.
 
Not ironically, stating that the white cops are targets of black persons' bullets is exactly how the black people feel about white cops' bullets.
 
This incident has caused me to ask questions from black and Mexican American persons I work with. Now it's not like asking people of Ferguson ... cause the folks I encounter are prosperous, educated, suburbanites... but their views of and experiences with the police are a lot different than mine.
 
"It may indeed be how they feel, but that feeling does not reflect the reality of their situation."

Reality = black teen (thug, robber, assaulter, whatever) was shot by a white cop. So it does reflect the reality of their situation because it actually happened. When you come from a low-SES background, you're more likely to fear the "devil you know" vs. the devil you don't.

I know there's oodles of statistics out there about white cops being shot by black people, but young black men are 21 times as likely to be fatally shot by cops than young white men. You can't pretend that's not "reality." The Michael Brown situation just exacerbated existing fears and prejudices.

They're also 38 times as likely to be pulled over while driving, just for kicks.
 
When you go around looking for trouble, you usually find it. You know,you ***** slap a store owner and steal his cigars. Then you walk right down the middle of the street flaunting your stolen cigars and a cop sees you. Michael Brown is dead because he was stupid.

Wilson is the victim here. He did his job and now he is reviled and must go into hiding like a Casey Anthony because of it. the New America sucks!
 
Clean: I think your last post sums up nicely the racial impasse we have here. I'll concede that Michael Brown's behavior in his last hour was thuggish, unreasonable and dangerous. People who aren't necessarily "stupid" are prone at times to stupid behavior.

The answer is not in putting a beat down on all the thugs. It comes from encouraging better outlets to channel their energy. There are all sorts of examples of creative community policing. The transformation of a nearly lawless New York City with "broken window policing" in the late 80's, early 90's s an example of creative community response that worked.

There's an answer here, but it is more complex than the stimulus-response interaction between Brown and Wilson. Something creative is going to have to happen for that community to pull together, black, white, citizen, government.
 
"Michael Brown is dead because he was stupid."

And that's the narrative that could have been different. Wilson had already called for backup. His choice to escalate the incident alone was the wrong choice, however brave it seemed, and that's why things are the way they are, not because Michael Brown stole some cigars. Michael Brown could have been arrested because he was stupid. Michael Brown probably would have been released that day.

If getting shot is the only option for stupid young black men, then it's fairly obvious why people are upset.
 
Convenient to leave out the threatening to assault storeowner as well as physically assaulting Wilson.

He should have been shot at the store when he threatened and pushed the owner. However, making the assumption of what Wilson did when you were not there is at a minimum naive.
 
'However, making the assumption of what Wilson did when you were not there is at a minimum naive."

It's his own leaked grand jury testimony, man. Stop pretending that he has moral high ground because of his uniform. He called for backup, and when the two guys didn't stop in the middle of the street, he pulled his car perpendicular to the curb directly in front of them instead of... well... anything else. Taking on two guys at once with the car door? Sure, Michael Brown reacted poorly to that. But his reaction could have been avoided if Wilson did anything else.

"Convenient to leave out the threatening to assault storeowner as well as physically assaulting Wilson."

Why would the fact that he pushed the storeowner motivated Wilson's actions? Hell, get out of the car with the pepper spray and baton, and pull out the gun after that. Again, it seems like he made a poor decision to try to rectify the stolen cigars on his own. I'm not excusing that Brown messed up minutes before that. I'm saying that Wilson could have easily handled this differently.

"Thieves are the lowest form of life on the planet. Anyone who makes a martyr out of this thug instantly loses credibility."

And if you can't believe for a half-second that this could have and should have ended differently, then I guess we're at an impasse. I don't think Brown is a martyr, but I get why people are protesting how this ended. Killing a thief because he's a thief makes the person "fixing" the situation a hero to some and inhuman to others.

Crockett already alluded to it, but there are much bigger institutional problems in Ferguson before the Brown thing happened. Like one-quarter of the city's budget being funded with disproportionately black persons' court fees. And the police charging perps with cleaning fees for bleeding on cop uniforms. If people can't stand back for just a minute and see that the anger is over more than Michael Brown, then they're just going to hide behind the "good, another dead thug" wall and ignore why this is all going down.
 
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"Killing a thief because he's a thief makes the person "fixing" the situation a hero to some and inhuman to others. "

That is not why Brown got shot and you know it.
 
I never said it couldn't have ended differently. What I said is that it is naive for you to believe you know how Wilson should have acted.

I am sure he made mistakes. My guess is that anyone and everyone could make mistakes when be physically assaulted by a 300 pound man who proved he was aggressive on camera at the store. Do you think he just went calm and friendly 20 minutes later to a white police officer?

The belief that Brown was simply an innocent kid makes it hard to listen to the Justice for Mike Brown crowd. On one side I have a police officer who had never fired his weapon and on the other I have a thug who just robbed a store for cigars. I choose to believe the officer and the grand jury who did not indict him.
 
"11, it's the only option when a law enforcement officer fears for his life after he witnesses the suspect just attempt murder. It's his job to stop that suspect, and if the suspects resists arrest, the officer not only has the legal authority to shoot (and you only shoot to kill) but the duty to shoot the suspect if he just witnessed that suspect committ a violent felony. It is his duty. And it is his duty regardless of the race of the suspect."

There are at least two fallacies in the above statement. I'll let you figure out what they are.

"That is not why Brown got shot and you know it."

No kidding, 6721. I was responding to UTChE, who believes that was at least part of the equation. If not all of it, based on his comment.

"What I said is that it is naive for you to believe you know how Wilson should have acted. I am sure he made mistakes. My guess is that anyone and everyone could make mistakes when be physically assaulted by a 300 pound man who proved he was aggressive on camera at the store."

At least you admit he made mistakes, and that's the root of all my comments. I'm saying he never had to put himself in the position to be physically assaulted by pulling his car into the two men. You're saying the physical assault was inevitable. You also keep alluding to the convenience store assault, which has little-to-no bearing on what Wilson SHOULD have done. This is exactly why Ferguson leaked the convenience store video, so that it became a "rational" decision for Wilson to do what he did. Wilson hadn't even seen the video.
 
It is easy to Monday morning quarterback. The point is that you were not there so there is no way you can confidently say what should have happened. You fall prey to the media's fear of stating what Brown was when you say the store crime had no bearing on what happend. Twenty minutes before confronting Wilson, he pushed and threatened the store owner with his massive physical body. The evidence presented at the grand jury indicated similar behavior with his confrontation with Wilson.

I get the fact that you think the police should flee confrontation with criminals. I for one am glad he stopped Brown before he hurt or killed someone.
 
"I get the fact that you think the police should flee confrontation with criminals. I for one am glad he stopped Brown before he hurt or killed someone."

Jeez.

I stated twice (or was it three?) times that he called for backup before performing his car maneuver. I also suggested actions he could have taken, like getting out of his car at the curb like a normal human being, armed with his pepper spray. How is that fleeing? Why do you get the sense that I'm some kind of hippy who thinks that all black people are just innocently walking around after committing no wrong?

"if you want to respond tell me where you disagree and why"

Firstly, there are at least 4 valid challenges mentioned in the Missouri Law Review article you gave against the "fleeing felon rule." Was the 1970s case in which they shot the fleeing felon valid? Yes. But is it plausible to challenge it? Of course. There is conflicting evidence over whether Brown was fleeing in the first place, but my argument is that Wilson could have taken several measures before deadly force. Such as not instigating it.

Second, I agree with the second article you posted. Of course it's valid to use deadly force when you feel your life is threatened. I'm saying his life didn't have to be threatened if he didn't t-bone his car in front of the suspects with an open window. Maybe he felt that was the best way to get their attention. If so, he's bad at decision making, much like a lot of the Ferguson police force seems to be.

"11, it's the only option when a law enforcement officer fears for his life after he witnesses the suspect just attempt murder."

When did he witness Brown attempt murder? He's the one who pulled the gun out... so it was obvious self defense, but the only info he had to go off of before then was the description of a big guy who robbed a convenience store and pushed the owner.

"It's his job to stop that suspect, and if the suspects resists arrest, the officer not only has the legal authority to shoot (and you only shoot to kill) but the duty to shoot the suspect if he just witnessed that suspect committ a violent felony."

I disagree with the sentiment that you have the legal authority to "shoot to kill" in a resisting arrest situation. I've seen plenty of morons get tasered or pepper-sprayed on COPS. I think the shooting stemmed from the fact that Wilson was drawing his gun in an attempt to not use his pepper spray in a closed environment (his own testimony), and Brown reacted in a way to try to not get shot. Poor decision? Of course. But my sentiments all along have been that Wilson didn't have to do that. And I'm not the only one with that sentiment.

"It is his duty. And it is his duty regardless of the race of the suspect."

Protecting and serving means that you don't put priority on getting an offensive lineman sized dude to stop walking in the middle of the street by enraging him. If you honestly believed that Wilson "saved lives" by his actions, instead of the basic arrest he could have made with backup and following basic escalation protocol, then we're just agreeing to disagree.
 
11, I understand your argument. A better officer may have kept his cool, may have taken different action that may have prevented this tragedy. No argument there. But that's neither here nor there as it relates to the law or the grand jury decision.

Police can be real a$%^les. But you know what, they're probably that way because no one respects the law nor them, and they deal with people every day who may want to kill them. I was taught to always be respectful, and that any meeting with law enforcement is a business meeting. If they want to be an a$%^le, than let them...being an a$% may be unprofessional for some people (probably people who probably never had to risk their lives protecting a community IMO) but isn't against the law. Make a complaint and raise hell like a professional you expect them to be.

Robbing a store, walking in the middle of the street, disrespecting an officer, punching him in the face and going for his gun (if anyone tried to go for my sidearm in Iraq, there was only one reason re: murder), resisting arrest, fleeing a crime >>>>>>>>>> an officer yelling at you to walk on the sidewalk instead of the middle of the freaking road. How hard is that? If you are walking in the middle of the road and an officer tells you to get the f$^& on the sidewalk, you get on the sidewalk. He's not asking for a bribe, or a sexual favor, he's not yelling at someone lawfully taking a stroll in the sidewalk, he's telling to you to get off the street because it is against the law to walking in the middle of the street. I have the common sense and respect to get off the street and know that I have zero standing to ignore his command until he asks me in a more polite manner.

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For the record, I agree with the grand jury's decision not to indict. I'm more responding to the idea that "liberals" are protesting because a thug got shot.
 
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