No punishment for Baylor re: rape factory

Drag it out 5 years until it’s long out of the public memory.

Financial, legal, & political machinations behind the scenes that entire time.

This is the outcome I expected.
 
This is really simple. Baylor should have been found guilty of "lack of institutional control" and given more severe sanctions. I'd be fine with the death penalty. But the NCAA doesn't,nor should they, have the jurisdiction to base decisions on the nature of the crime. That's for courts to decide.
 
I was working for a company based in Waco at the time all this went down, and our founder was a member of the Baylor BOD. It made me literally nauseous to hear and see how the majority of the alumni and fans reacted to the scandal. Not that this is news to anyone here, but it just amazed me to see what a bubble they created and lived within. Absolutely disgusting.
 
Vino Bevo said:
It made me literally nauseous to hear and see how the majority of the alumni and fans reacted to the scandal. Not that this is news to anyone here,
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My former boss was a Baylor alum. He sent his teenage grandson out to the ranch to work with me for a couple of weeks. One afternoon on a drive back to the ranch this topic came up.

The kid said, “ I don’t see what the big deal is here. I mean every school does this.”.

I replied, “ No, as a matter of fact every school does not harbor & protect known thugs & rapists for the sake of athletic gain.”.

Pretty quiet ride the rest of the way.
 
El Sapo said:
My former boss was a Baylor alum. He sent his teenage grandson out to the ranch to work with me for a couple of weeks. One afternoon on a drive back to the ranch this topic came up.

The kid said, “ I don’t see what the big deal is here. I mean every school does this.”.

I replied, “ No, as a matter of fact every school does not harbor & protect known thugs & rapists for the sake of athletic gain.”.

Pretty quiet ride the rest of the way.
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1) that is likely the position they take publicly that the gullible believe.
2) they could have actually made it an issue to show that they are NOT like everyone else.
 
HoffHorn said:
2 words: Kenneth Starr
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My former pastor, who graduated from Baylor & served on the Baylor BOR told me to my face what a great guy Starr is and how he would fix all the problems.

I try to never use profanity in the church buildings, but that was too much. My response, "I sincerely hope you don't believe that ****", at which point I walked away.
 
Since you brought up K. Starr
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There's a good read over on Slate this morning on the inadequacies of the NCAA with regard to protecting students.
The NCAA Was Built to Fail Sexual Assault Victims

And it throws some shade on BU, too
The Baylor University college sports scandal of the early and mid-2010s wasn’t about a quarterback getting paid under the table or a booster who got a little too involved in helping the coaching staff land a four-star linebacker. It was about sexual violence, what the school knew about it, and what it failed to do. To put it another way: It was about something that mattered, to the school, its students, and society. And that explains why the NCAA announced on Wednesday that Baylor’s systematic failures didn’t violate its rules.

The suffering that Baylor—led by football coach Art Briles, university president Ken Starr, and athletic director Ian McCaw—visited upon its female students has been well documented. If you want the full story, I recommend you begin with Jessica Luther and Don Solomon’s reporting at Texas Monthly from 2015 and 2016. That being said, we might never know the full extent of what happened at Baylor, because the university’s process for reporting sexual assault allegations was so inadequate. Baylor didn’t have a full-time Title IX coordinator until 2014 or a written Title IX policy until 2015. The university previously routed allegations through its judicial affairs office, where, according to the woman who eventually filled the Title IX coordinator job, the office received only about five complaints per year. In her two years as the coordinator, her office received 416 complaints, the NCAA said on Wednesday.

The football team, then highly successful on the field, was no help. During Briles’ tenure, Baylor’s board of trustees later admitted in a 2016 report, “athletics and football personnel affirmatively chose not to report sexual violence and dating violence to an appropriate administrator outside of athletics.” Baylor’s board, after receiving its own investigative report from the law firm Pepper Hamilton, said that “football coaches and staff took improper steps in response to disclosures of sexual assault or dating violence that precluded the University from fulfilling its legal obligations.”

One Baylor alum alleged in a 2017 Title IX and negligence lawsuit against the school that two players had raped her after a party four years earlier. ESPN’s Outside the Lines reported that Waco, Texas, police informed the university of an allegation matching the description of the 2013 assault at the time, and Baylor waited more than two years to investigate it. Another former player is now serving a 20-year prison sentence after a sexual assault conviction in a different case. And that’s only a tiny fraction of the accusations: that 2017 lawsuit alleged that 31 football players had committed at least 52 rapes between 2011 and 2014, including five gang rapes.

Perhaps just for the sake of appearances, the NCAA felt obligated to investigate. The 51-page report that the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions released on Wednesday outlines Baylor’s lack of interest in keeping its own students safe in comprehensive detail, and in ways that go well beyond not reporting alleged assaults by football players. And yet, as the infractions committee succinctly put it: “Baylor admitted to moral and ethical failings in its handling of sexual violence on campus but argued that those failings, however egregious, did not constitute violations of NCAA legislation. Ultimately, and with tremendous reluctance, this panel agrees.” It handed out a few minor penalties to the school and a former staffer, but nothing significant for Baylor.

Don’t mistake the NCAA’s expression of “tremendous reluctance” for genuine surprise. The organization’s shrug here is inevitable, a reflection of its long-held priorities.
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Summary at the end of the article:
So, what is the NCAA for, other than (poorly) protecting an amateurism model that a unanimous Supreme Court seems increasingly prepared to dynamite? The NCAA’s primary function is to protect an economic model that looks very much on the clock, in some part because the NCAA has dragged its heels on making incremental reforms itself. If that goes, the NCAA has little left on its plate. And if the NCAA cannot make a compelling legal case for its member schools’ vision of what college sports can be, and it cannot do a thing to punish even the most heinous acts in its ranks, then what can it do? At this point, the answer is not much, other than absorb headlines like this one so the schools who built it can stay quiet. The NCAA’s most powerful legislative committees are stocked with university administrators, none of whom will personally have to answer for the organization’s shortcomings on Baylor or any other subject. NCAA president Mark Emmert, a not-especially-competent executive who makes about $3 million a year, functions as a shield for all of them. It is tempting to call the NCAA’s inaction in this case a failure. The truth is, this is college sports’ machine working exactly as its builders intended.
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No surprise to anyone here, I'm sure.
 
I think we know the big money stonewalls and rely upon our short attention span.

They are pathetic people. All of them. Amoral. It's all about THEIR money and when you hear one of them say, "Student athlete," just know that you are witness to absolute corruption.

And they're all hero's to their wives and children.
 
Driver 8 said:
"Christians" lol
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Don’t put this on Christians.
Baylor is a private school, not a Christian school and those involved were not Christians as the term means a follower of Christ.

BTW I was in a Waco hotel THE night dancing was allowed on campus- again not my circus, but the only problem with disallowing dancing is that it’s polar opposite of the teachings of the Bible. Those cats danced often. My point is not to start a Christian debate here, it’s more about this BS has nothing to do with Christians being hypocritical- it’s holier than thou Bible thumpers , rich daddy’s money kids and football money.
Nothing else.
 
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NRHorn said:
Don’t put this on Christians.
Baylor is a private school, not a Christian school and those involved were not Christians as the term means a follower of Christ.
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The religious universities are best viewed as a spectrum. On one end, you have the schools like Oral Roberts U, Bob Jones U, and BYU in which the faith is very much part of their educational mission and faculty and students are expected to toe the line and adhere to a certain code of conduct (at the risk of termination or expulsion if they deviate). At the other end of the spectrum are schools like TCU and SMU, which were chartered by religious organizations but now are essentially secular liberal arts/research institutions. I see Baylor as being somewhere between the two extremes, certainly moving closer to the TCU/SMU model (but not there yet). I recall a time (about 40 years ago, IIRC) when then-BU president Abner McCall threatened to expel any coeds who dared to pose for Playboy magazine's "Girls of the Southwest Conference" spread. (I suspect that BU's BOR and administration lags behind the student body by a decade or two.)

In any case, Baylor still promotes itself as "a Christian University."

"Baylor's nationally ranked graduate and professional education programs equip students to bring inquiry and innovation, informed by a Christian perspective, to bear on real-world concerns as they pursue their call to lead in academia, the boardroom, the medical profession, the lab, and the studio."

"Baylor University is a private Christian University and a nationally ranked research institution."

"Baylor continues to hold firm to the conviction that the world needs a preeminent research university that is unambiguously Christian, where such a commitment does not imply a lack of scholarly inquiry, but rather requires scholarship and creative endeavors at the highest levels of quality to complement and inform its teaching and service."
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Baylor University
Core Convictions
Mission Statement
 
Giovanni Jones said:
The religious universities are best viewed as a spectrum. On one end, you have the schools like Oral Roberts U, Bob Jones U, and BYU in which the faith is very much part of their educational mission and faculty and students are expected to toe the line and adhere to a certain code of conduct (at the risk of termination or expulsion if they deviate). At the other end of the spectrum are schools like TCU and SMU, which were chartered by religious organizations but now are essentially secular liberal arts/research institutions. I see Baylor as being somewhere between the two extremes, certainly moving closer to the TCU/SMU model (but not there yet). I recall a time (about 40 years ago, IIRC) when then-BU president Abner McCall threatened to expel any coeds who dared to pose for Playboy magazine's "Girls of the Southwest Conference" spread. (I suspect that BU's BOR and administration lags behind the student body by a decade or two.)

In any case, Baylor still promotes itself as "a Christian University."
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I agree that bailor continues to promote itself as a "Christian University." And I understand your analogy to TCU and SMU.

From hands-on personal experience I can attest that what they "say" and what they "do" are polar opposites. There's nothing biblical in their Christian beliefs/teachings. Therefore, they are nothing more than a pretend Christian University based on words rather than convictions. (Much like aggy with their pretend military.)

And it's been that way for over 45 years.
 
On a somewhat related note, it appears that Charlie Brewer is on his way to beating out Cameron Rising for the starting job at Utah.
 
Giovanni Jones said:
The religious universities are best viewed as a spectrum. On one end, you have the schools like Oral Roberts U, Bob Jones U, and BYU in which the faith is very much part of their educational mission and faculty and students are expected to toe the line and adhere to a certain code of conduct (at the risk of termination or expulsion if they deviate). At the other end of the spectrum are schools like TCU and SMU, which were chartered by religious organizations but now are essentially secular liberal arts/research institutions. I see Baylor as being somewhere between the two extremes, certainly moving closer to the TCU/SMU model (but not there yet). I recall a time (about 40 years ago, IIRC) when then-BU president Abner McCall threatened to expel any coeds who dared to pose for Playboy magazine's "Girls of the Southwest Conference" spread. (I suspect that BU's BOR and administration lags behind the student body by a decade or two.)

In any case, Baylor still promotes itself as "a Christian University."



Baylor University
Core Convictions
Mission Statement
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My son said BYU was the dirtiest, most racist team he played against. I wouldn't put them in the true Christian category.
 
Lavell Edwards teams were always one of the three dirtiest teams in the country.

BYU should never be mentioned nor considered "Christian", and not because of their cheap shots on the field.
 
Giovanni Jones said:
From the Atlantic magazine:
Mormons Once Aspired to Be a 'White and Delightsome' People

Bear in mind that the LDS once forbade people of color from having leadership positions in the church.
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Well, they seem to really like Polynesians. My theory is that, for generations, the young Mormon men tended to request/choose tropical islands in the Pacific for their missions. Not a bad gig. On Oahu, much of the North Shore/Windward Side, including football factory Kahuku, is dominated by Mormons. BYU-Hawaii is up there. This also helps with the BYU offensive and defensive lines. :yes::yes:

Now back to the original topic (sort of): if Baylor ever opened a Baylor-Hawaii, you can bet their administrators would be shagging the island girls, and covering up for their athletes, while preaching hellfire and brimstone for sinners from the pulpit.
 
Giovanni Jones said:
The religious universities are best viewed as a spectrum. On one end, you have the schools like Oral Roberts U, Bob Jones U, and BYU in which the faith is very much part of their educational mission and faculty and students are expected to toe the line and adhere to a certain code of conduct (at the risk of termination or expulsion if they deviate). At the other end of the spectrum are schools like TCU and SMU, which were chartered by religious organizations but now are essentially secular liberal arts/research institutions. I see Baylor as being somewhere between the two extremes, certainly moving closer to the TCU/SMU model (but not there yet). I recall a time (about 40 years ago, IIRC) when then-BU president Abner McCall threatened to expel any coeds who dared to pose for Playboy magazine's "Girls of the Southwest Conference" spread. (I suspect that BU's BOR and administration lags behind the student body by a decade or two.)

In any case, Baylor still promotes itself as "a Christian University."



Baylor University
Core Convictions
Mission Statement
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I recall- my 2nd cousin ( I think, not that it matters) did indeed pose in that Playboy as she had just graduated from BU.
Fully clothed. BTW- but did rep Baylor in that issue. I think I was in jr high?
 
Long time friend of mine and golf buddy is a Bailor grad from the mid 70's. His father was a Baptist minister.

He is very smart, successful business owner and family man.

He is and has been so disgusted by all this, a while back he wrote Bailor admin a long letter (I did not see) that he will no longer give them $.

He is not Bill Gates money, but the powers that be were concerned enough they did contact him and try to do the usual: apologize, it was unfortunate, we are taking steps, will never happen again, etc. etc. BS.

He ignored the response from Bailor. Said to some of us that know him, no means no.

I am proud of him for taking a stand.
 
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It made me literally nauseous to hear and see how the majority of the alumni and fans reacted to the scandal.
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That was it to me. None of my Baylor friends and family think anyone at the university did anything wrong outside of the particular players themselves.
 
For those that are so distraught over Baylor walking away from this unscathed, I am hopeful you will take the same high road when a woman comes forward with an assault/rape allegation, ten years after the fact.

There is a reason that our sisters and daughters are so hesitant to report rapes and assaults, one need look no further than the conclusions of both the NCAA and the University. More than 50 reported assaults, guys doing hard time, but there was no lack of Institutional Control. Keep on moving. Nothing to see here. Just boys being boys.

And it's hardly worth mentioning that Ken Starr held a Legal Defense Fund fundraiser for a player at his home, attended by donors. The best justice money can buy. Might have even been a blue dress auctioned. Who knows?
 
Statalyzer said:
That was it to me. None of my Baylor friends and family think anyone at the university did anything wrong outside of the particular players themselves.
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Maybe ask them if they think the victims did something wrong, you know like wearing immodest clothing, going to parties where beer was served, etc.
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