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VYFan said:
Lamb is far better than Duvernay.
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What is your definition of better?

Faster?
Quicker?
Stronger?
Better hands?
Better route runner?
Better blocker?
Greater breakaway threat?

Based on the criteria listed above it would be challenging to claim that Lamb was “better.”

Let’s reassess how the two compare after year 2. And remember, they are coming out of different offensive schemes and philosophies. Very different. Which begs the question: How would Duvernay have done in a Lincoln Riley offense?
 
dukesteer said:
What is your definition of better?

Faster?
Quicker?
Stronger?
Better hands?
Better route runner?
Better blocker?
Greater breakaway threat?

Based on the criteria listed above it would be challenging to claim that Lamb was “better.”

Let’s reassess how the two compare after year 2. And remember, they are coming out of different offensive schemes and philosophies. Very different. Which begs the question: How would Duvernay have done in a Lincoln Riley offense?
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If your definition of "better" is "better," then CeeDee Lamb is better. I don't think you'll find anyone who disagrees with this from the NFL GM level, to the college ranks, and beyond.
 
I'll say again, Lamb is far better than Duvernay.

Wow. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it; I'll be here in two years, so no problem. I think, however, that you guys are really falling for homerism and for liking Duvernay (I think he is a great guy and a good player, and I hope the best for him). I remember having the same debate the year before when I said Marquise Brown was a lot better than LJH.

Sure, Lamb "might" be a bust, anyone might. But in all probability he will be a #1 receiver in the league for years, starting right away. He was a first round AA. He played 3 years, doubling the TDs of Duvernay in 4 years. More yards. He "fell" to first round, #17. He basically beat us singlehandedly this year. In space, he is very, very elusive; Duvernay is not. In our game this year, he went basically one-on-five and faked out all five of our guys for one TD, one-on-three for the other TD, including making Brandon Jones look weak. His catch radius is much larger than Duvernay's--Duvernay catches everything that hits his body mass, but Lamb's zone is 4 times that, even when contested. To the eye, not on a track, Lamb seems faster and quicker.
 
If you aren't picked by the fourth round you are better off as a free agent to go to a team where you stand a better chance making the roster than getting drafted by a team that is stacked at your position. Other than being able to say ," I was drafted into the NFL," one day when you are an old fart talking to your grandkids. Roach and the rest should hope their names aren't called now.
 
VYFan said:
I'll say again, Lamb is far better than Duvernay.

Wow. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it; I'll be here in two years, so no problem. I think, however, that you guys are really falling for homerism and for liking Duvernay (I think he is a great guy and a good player, and I hope the best for him). I remember having the same debate the year before when I said Marquise Brown was a lot better than LJH.

Sure, Lamb "might" be a bust, anyone might. But in all probability he will be a #1 receiver in the league for years, starting right away. He was a first round AA. He played 3 years, doubling the TDs of Duvernay in 4 years. More yards. He "fell" to first round, #17. He basically beat us singlehandedly this year. In space, he is very, very elusive; Duvernay is not. In our game this year, he went basically one-on-five and faked out all five of our guys for one TD, one-on-three for the other TD, including making Brandon Jones look weak. His catch radius is much larger than Duvernay's--Duvernay catches everything that hits his body mass, but Lamb's zone is 4 times that, even when contested. To the eye, not on a track, Lamb seems faster and quicker.
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The one variable you keep mentioning..OUR 2019 DEFENSE....That will make anyone look good. I agree Lamb is a stud, but we made him look AWESOME. I also agree that Lamb is probably all around better than Duvernay. I do like Duvernay's hands. He seems to catch everything.
 
Glad to see CJ selected, just not excited as to the team he is headed--Minshew at qb? and all the problems with RB Fournette stating publically he wants the team to sign Cam Newton, sounds like a cluster down in J-Ville
 
Waiting to see if anyone takes a chance on Shack and Roach at this point. Based on the number of teams taking OL shots, I think we might see him picked up in the 6th/7th. Not sure about Roach... someone will gamble or he'll just be a UFA.
 
VYFan said:
I'll say again, Lamb is far better than Duvernay.

Wow. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it; I'll be here in two years, so no problem. I think, however, that you guys are really falling for homerism and for liking Duvernay (I think he is a great guy and a good player, and I hope the best for him). I remember having the same debate the year before when I said Marquise Brown was a lot better than LJH.

Sure, Lamb "might" be a bust, anyone might. But in all probability he will be a #1 receiver in the league for years, starting right away. He was a first round AA. He played 3 years, doubling the TDs of Duvernay in 4 years. More yards. He "fell" to first round, #17. He basically beat us singlehandedly this year. In space, he is very, very elusive; Duvernay is not. In our game this year, he went basically one-on-five and faked out all five of our guys for one TD, one-on-three for the other TD, including making Brandon Jones look weak. His catch radius is much larger than Duvernay's--Duvernay catches everything that hits his body mass, but Lamb's zone is 4 times that, even when contested. To the eye, not on a track, Lamb seems faster and quicker.
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Only time will tell. Would I have taken Lamb over Duvernay? Honestly, I don’t know although obviously Lamb was rated much higher.

I see Lamb as a Ferrari, and Duvernay as a Tesla. Ferrari’s are very exciting, flashy, they look great and they go fast. They also breakdown frequently and can be expensive to maintain.

Tesla’s aren’t quite as flashy, but they do go very fast, and they do so “very quietly.”

Jerrah almost always goes for the glitter, and in the past 25 years or so he has nothing to show for it.
 
dukesteer said:
What is your definition of better?

Faster?
Quicker?
Stronger?
Better hands?
Better route runner?
Better blocker?
Greater breakaway threat?

Based on the criteria listed above it would be challenging to claim that Lamb was “better.”

Let’s reassess how the two compare after year 2. And remember, they are coming out of different offensive schemes and philosophies. Very different. Which begs the question: How would Duvernay have done in a Lincoln Riley offense?
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Duvernay wins the statitics battle over Lamb in 2019. I think the Ravens will improve this year, but I am no NFL guy. I will watch this team like I watched KC the last two years.
 
dukesteer said:
Only time will tell. Would I have taken Lamb over Duvernay? Honestly, I don’t know although obviously Lamb was rated much higher.

I see Lamb as a Ferrari, and Duvernay as a Tesla. Ferrari’s are very exciting, flashy, they look great and they go fast. They also breakdown frequently and can be expensive to maintain.

Tesla’s aren’t quite as flashy, but they do go very fast, and they do so “very quietly.”

Jerrah almost always goes for the glitter, and in the past 25 years or so he has nothing to show for it.
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I see Duvernay more as a Porsche GT2 RS. A somewhat ordinary car that one can drive every day but will surprise the driver with its speed and handling when pushed hard.
 
dukesteer said:
What is your definition of better?

Faster?
Quicker?
Stronger?
Better hands?
Better route runner?
Better blocker?
Greater breakaway threat?

Based on the criteria listed above it would be challenging to claim that Lamb was “better.”

Let’s reassess how the two compare after year 2. And remember, they are coming out of different offensive schemes and philosophies. Very different. Which begs the question: How would Duvernay have done in a Lincoln Riley offense?
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I've watched both guys play a lot. I think the only areas where Lamb is clearly better is as a route runner and a breakaway threat. Lamb has some almost magical elusiveness both before and after he gets the ball. Both guys are tough mofos for their size, ready to challenge tacklers and run 'em over if they don't position themselves properly. I'm glad Lamb is a Cowboy. Guy is a student of the game and competitive as all get out.
 
The Ravens been my team since the Oilers left Houston.
Duvernay is a lot like Anquan Boldin. Possession receiver who will win you Super Bowls. Lamb is another speedster like Hollywood Brown. Serviceable but not gonna get you crucial first downs. Will get you some TD's.
This year the best offensive weapon after Lamar was Mark Andrews not Hollywood Brown.
 
dukesteer said:
What is your definition of better?

Faster?
Quicker?
Stronger?
Better hands?
Better route runner?
Better blocker?
Greater breakaway threat?

Based on the criteria listed above it would be challenging to claim that Lamb was “better.”

Let’s reassess how the two compare after year 2. And remember, they are coming out of different offensive schemes and philosophies. Very different. Which begs the question: How would Duvernay have done in a Lincoln Riley offense?
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Sshhhh....
 
I gave the Texans my best shot until they passed on Vince. I was in the end zone of Reliant when VY burned them to end the game in 2006. There were more burnt orange jerseys in the stands than Texans jerseys. What could have been.

 
RainH2burntO said:
Is there somewhere I can place a bet that the Dolphins will be proven wrong for reaching on Tua? IMHO....he was the biggest winner of the day....Most people saw him falling fast and far. I'll be very suprised if he ends up warranting a #5 pick in the NFL with his play. All the best to him, but.....wow...Miami.
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You would likely have to place a futures bet off-shore. US sportsbooks rarely are permitted to take action on the failure of someone to perform long-term.

You may also see some early season props related to whether he plays this season or attempts a certain number of passes. Keep up with VSIN for permissible props...they will have them posted on their site.
 
Houston produced the most of all
Believe it or not, I occasionally get posters on the recruiting forum complaining that we recruit the Houston area



" .... The Houston area’s presence in the draft was stronger on Thursday and Friday. Four first-round picks in this year’s draft have ties to the city – Oklahoma receiver CeeDee Lamb (Foster) went 17th overall to Dallas, LSU linebacker K'Lavon Chaisson (North Shore) went 20th to Jacksonville, Oklahoma linebacker Kenneth Murray (Elkins) went 23rd to the Los Angeles Chargers and Texas Tech linebacker Jordyn Brooks (Stratford) went 27th to Seattle.

Elkins, the Fort Bend ISD school in Missouri City, is in line to have five active players in the NFL including Murray and Texas Christian defensive tackle Ross Blacklock, who was selected in Friday’s second round by Houston.

Also from Friday’s second round is Minnesota safety Antoine Winfield Jr. (The Woodlands) to Tampa Bay and Oklahoma quarterback Jalen Hurts (Channelview) to Philadelphia.

University of Houston offensive tackle Josh Jones (Bush) and Missouri defensive tackle Jordan Elliott (Westside) went to Arizona and Cleveland, respectively in the third round on Friday.

Joining Elliott in Cleveland is second-round pick and LSU safety Grant Delpit, who spent time playing at St. Thomas and Lamar in Houston before finishing his high school career at IMG Academy in Florida."​
 
As a school, we had 3 players drafted
For a past 3-years total of 9
Which is the most in a 3-year run for us since 10 in 2011-13.

And, of course, we still hold the all-time record for one draft with 17 picks in 1984 :hookem:
 
ViperHorn said:
"Houston-area products in 2020 NFL Draft rounds out to 13" and how many of those 13 went to Texas?
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One of these 13 signed with us. We had a second in Chaisson but let him slip through our fingers

I think this is the order
ou
LSU
ou
Tech
TCU
LSU
Minnesota
ou
UH
Misery
Baylor
aggy
Florida
 
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